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Re: [opensuse-project] foo@xxxxxxxxxxxx is a subscribers only list
- From: Marcus Meissner <meissner@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:28:41 +0200
- Message-id: <20070904062840.GB25432@xxxxxxx>
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:11:03AM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> The openSUSE mailing lists do not strike me as particularly open.
>
> I have been contributing to free software projects for over ten years,
> but none I can remember appears as unfriendly when someone not subscribed
> to a list tries to post to that list.
>
> Why do we have such a strict setup? As evidenced by hosts like
> gcc.gnu.org, it is possibly to keep lists spam free without it.
>
> *If* we need such a form of moderation, could this be human
> moderators? Frankly, with unfriendly a reponse like this, I
> usually think twice about contributing.
>
> If human moderation does not work, how about a simple scheme where
> one has to follow a URL provided in the auto-response to unlock his
> previously sent message? w3c does this very nicely, for example.
>
> Also, the message refers to a "nomail version of the list" but a
> regular user certainly will have not idea whatsoever what that is
> and how to subscribe to that version of the list.
> </rant>
>
> My recommendations are:
>
> 1. Abandon this level of strictness and instead use decent spam
> and virus filtering.
This does not help, as I see with the gphoto mailinglists.
> 2. If this does not work sufficiently well, employ human moderation
> or a challenge/reponse schema.
> 3. Better describe what the "nomail version of the list" refers to.
I am using "subscriber only, but hold postings in the mailman queue
for approval and author whitelisting" for gphoto at least, and it works
fine.
Ciao, Marcus
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> The openSUSE mailing lists do not strike me as particularly open.
>
> I have been contributing to free software projects for over ten years,
> but none I can remember appears as unfriendly when someone not subscribed
> to a list tries to post to that list.
>
> Why do we have such a strict setup? As evidenced by hosts like
> gcc.gnu.org, it is possibly to keep lists spam free without it.
>
> *If* we need such a form of moderation, could this be human
> moderators? Frankly, with unfriendly a reponse like this, I
> usually think twice about contributing.
>
> If human moderation does not work, how about a simple scheme where
> one has to follow a URL provided in the auto-response to unlock his
> previously sent message? w3c does this very nicely, for example.
>
> Also, the message refers to a "nomail version of the list" but a
> regular user certainly will have not idea whatsoever what that is
> and how to subscribe to that version of the list.
> </rant>
>
> My recommendations are:
>
> 1. Abandon this level of strictness and instead use decent spam
> and virus filtering.
This does not help, as I see with the gphoto mailinglists.
> 2. If this does not work sufficiently well, employ human moderation
> or a challenge/reponse schema.
> 3. Better describe what the "nomail version of the list" refers to.
I am using "subscriber only, but hold postings in the mailman queue
for approval and author whitelisting" for gphoto at least, and it works
fine.
Ciao, Marcus
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