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Re: [opensuse-project] sad \funny story
- From: James Tremblay <jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:33:42 -0400
- Message-id: <200705100933.42199.jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Thursday 10 May 2007 01:16, Pascal Bleser wrote:
> James Tremblay wrote:
> [...]
>
> > around. The ZMD updater firmly and proudly in place in the tool tray,
> > working
>
> Just that it isn't ZMD.
>
> > perfectly without issue. The funniest part is that this is not the only
> > obvious flattery to your work. A nicely working ZMD and "software
> > installer" these are our tools, not theres. Should we invent while they
> > implement and
>
> Again, it's not ZMD.
It doesn't matter that it isn't ZMD under the hood they are packageing their
update service to look exactly like ZMD for one purpose only , and it
succeeded , I believed it to be our technology working for them and not us.
>
> [...]
>
> > Please reconsider our pace, repackage 10.2, make a few additions and call
> > it
>
> Please *DON'T* repackage.
> Again, as it was mentioned in another thread, making a release, even if
> it is "just" a repackaged 10.2 involved a lot of work and resources in
> the SUSE team, which means they'll be "freezed" and won't be able to
> work on other stuff that is equally, if not much more important.
>
> > 10.2.1 and work patiently to release 10.3 as next years absolute master
> > piece this team is capable of.
>
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2007-05/msg00002.html
>
> cheers
OK, then retract my request for a repackage and dedicate all your efforts to
10.3 , the list of enhancements in the above link are more important than a
repackage. But the significance of these enhancements will be overshadowed by
any "bugs" we leave unattended\broken from the past. The October 4th release
is a month less than a year from when 10.2 was released, is cutting time off
the schedule in anyway important?
As the recent survey results prove, the market we are hitting is tiny. If the
total respondents is less than a million, and 27,000 is "way less", then we
barely exist when extrapulated to all users of PC's or even just all users of
Linux estimated at 30 million . It is imperative that our distribution
receive only accolades at it's next and all further releases.
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/accolades) no other mention of the release
will be acceptable to the masses. Which failures translates into - don't even
bother looking at the live cd, stay with XP and wait till you either can
afford Vista or XP runs it's full course (now projected to be 2014).
M$ just announced that it is starting a 3$ per seat licensing campaign for
education desktops, which is aimed squarely at Ubuntu's progress in this
market and any traction Novell is gaining with a $.50 per seat subscription
for education. This increases the need for our "open" \ free version to be
perfect because it is also the demo version for all those thinking about
moving to linux and Novell in the Enterprise \ Education environment.
Please if 10.3 is going to be the unwaivering goal of openSUSE this year ,
then all consideration to it's perfection (including ditching the timeline)
must be foremost in your thoughts!
p.s. please don't write off the education environment as "irrelevant" because
in many towns in the U.S. the public school system is not only the largest
employer but also the largest PC network around for miles.
My school has 1150 students and a one to one ratio for PC's ( I have 480) is
an expected goal. The towns population is a little over 11000 and our schools
are the largest employer, because most of the residents work in the Boston
area and travel here to sleep.
Believe me when your bedroom community is this close to Boston,Waltham,
Needham, etc you know that those traveling residence are technically savvy
(as they are in many satellite towns due to the salary ranges of the people
not only in computers, but finance, science, medicine, electronics, etc. )
and demand that I spend their money wiseley. So supporting anything that
detracts from the educational processes of the other disciplines is
unacceptable and I would soon be out of work.
--
James Tremblay
Director of Technology
Newmarket School District
Novell CNE 3\4\5
CLE \ NCE in training.
http://en.opensuse.org/education
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> James Tremblay wrote:
> [...]
>
> > around. The ZMD updater firmly and proudly in place in the tool tray,
> > working
>
> Just that it isn't ZMD.
>
> > perfectly without issue. The funniest part is that this is not the only
> > obvious flattery to your work. A nicely working ZMD and "software
> > installer" these are our tools, not theres. Should we invent while they
> > implement and
>
> Again, it's not ZMD.
It doesn't matter that it isn't ZMD under the hood they are packageing their
update service to look exactly like ZMD for one purpose only , and it
succeeded , I believed it to be our technology working for them and not us.
>
> [...]
>
> > Please reconsider our pace, repackage 10.2, make a few additions and call
> > it
>
> Please *DON'T* repackage.
> Again, as it was mentioned in another thread, making a release, even if
> it is "just" a repackaged 10.2 involved a lot of work and resources in
> the SUSE team, which means they'll be "freezed" and won't be able to
> work on other stuff that is equally, if not much more important.
>
> > 10.2.1 and work patiently to release 10.3 as next years absolute master
> > piece this team is capable of.
>
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2007-05/msg00002.html
>
> cheers
OK, then retract my request for a repackage and dedicate all your efforts to
10.3 , the list of enhancements in the above link are more important than a
repackage. But the significance of these enhancements will be overshadowed by
any "bugs" we leave unattended\broken from the past. The October 4th release
is a month less than a year from when 10.2 was released, is cutting time off
the schedule in anyway important?
As the recent survey results prove, the market we are hitting is tiny. If the
total respondents is less than a million, and 27,000 is "way less", then we
barely exist when extrapulated to all users of PC's or even just all users of
Linux estimated at 30 million . It is imperative that our distribution
receive only accolades at it's next and all further releases.
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/accolades) no other mention of the release
will be acceptable to the masses. Which failures translates into - don't even
bother looking at the live cd, stay with XP and wait till you either can
afford Vista or XP runs it's full course (now projected to be 2014).
M$ just announced that it is starting a 3$ per seat licensing campaign for
education desktops, which is aimed squarely at Ubuntu's progress in this
market and any traction Novell is gaining with a $.50 per seat subscription
for education. This increases the need for our "open" \ free version to be
perfect because it is also the demo version for all those thinking about
moving to linux and Novell in the Enterprise \ Education environment.
Please if 10.3 is going to be the unwaivering goal of openSUSE this year ,
then all consideration to it's perfection (including ditching the timeline)
must be foremost in your thoughts!
p.s. please don't write off the education environment as "irrelevant" because
in many towns in the U.S. the public school system is not only the largest
employer but also the largest PC network around for miles.
My school has 1150 students and a one to one ratio for PC's ( I have 480) is
an expected goal. The towns population is a little over 11000 and our schools
are the largest employer, because most of the residents work in the Boston
area and travel here to sleep.
Believe me when your bedroom community is this close to Boston,Waltham,
Needham, etc you know that those traveling residence are technically savvy
(as they are in many satellite towns due to the salary ranges of the people
not only in computers, but finance, science, medicine, electronics, etc. )
and demand that I spend their money wiseley. So supporting anything that
detracts from the educational processes of the other disciplines is
unacceptable and I would soon be out of work.
--
James Tremblay
Director of Technology
Newmarket School District
Novell CNE 3\4\5
CLE \ NCE in training.
http://en.opensuse.org/education
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