On Sun 06 May 2007 12:55:26 NZST +1200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2007, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
Ack^3. Pitching opensuse against ubuntu is currently difficult. 10.1 is a dead loss, 10.2 is only good after installing a bunch of updates and obliterating zmd (risky business, might uninstall 2/3 of KDE and basic system libraries, so why not format in the first place?).
Just to make sure: You can (a) install openSUSE 10.2 without the ZENworks stack or (b) uninstall the ZENworks stack at any point after installation.
(a) is a possibility, but unfortuantely it's not default and therefore typically not used. As for uninstalling zenworks, I tried to talk a friend through this over the phone. Yast was duly installed on first attempt of selecting the pattern. Zenworks refused to bugger off to /dev/null though, even when deselected. Various reboots and refresh attempts had no effect, so forcefully uninstalling the packages belonging to the pattern was in order. This created a dependency warning, to be ignored if one wanted a chance of sending zenworks West. Next thing that went over the screen was "uninstalling kde-extras, uninstalling kde-libs, uninstalling kde...". So I told my friend to pull the plug, and it cost me some hours of driving over and fixing up the system again manually. You may have tested it, but I know for certain that there's a risk that it'll kill the system.
We have successfully tested both scenarios, and I can certify that taking either of these steps won't lead to loss of hair, vision, nor any parts of the KDE stack ;-)
Where do I send my invoice for damages arising from this dud certification...? ;-)
For example: send more bug reports. Really. Looking at some of those issues that I personally reported in the last couple of months, I would have hoped for more of them to have been reported by others already.
There are practical problems with testing alphas. Few people have unused uptoscratch hardware sitting around where it doesn't matter if the filesystems go down the gurgler by alpha testing. Using vmware is useless without installing the kernel sources and modules and so on, and doesn't allow testing of hardware interaction. It's a resource issue which I haven't satisfactorily solved, and I'm probably not alone. A wiki section on how to test would be helpful. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org