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Re: [opensuse-project] "Meetings" using email to overcome time zone limitations.
- From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:26:49 +0100 (CET)
- Message-id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612311603210.18526@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The Sunday 2006-12-31 at 10:26 +0100, jdd sur free wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> > On news servers the administrator can also delete postings. I'm unsure if
> > that will stop clients from posting again to that same OT thread if they
> > have a local copy, though.
>
> on news server, there is nothing like "local copy" (unless you make a save),
> so it's no more possible to anwser a cancelled message.
No, the client can have a full copy of what is (or was) at the upstream
news server. Mozilla can do that. More, you can have your local mirror
news server, using package "leafnode".
That's what I call client local copy.
I'm not sure that what is deleted upstream is also deleted on client
copies. That's the point I was wondering about.
>
> do think at the differences between news and mail:
>
> * news are online reading. one must be online to use the forum. This allow the
> owner or a moderator to cancel a message. Mail are off line reading, so posts
> sent are kept by the receiver. this is cheaper as for connection cost, the
> receiver can keep a copy of the message. The owner have to keep a copy of all
> messages if he wants to be able to answer an old message
News can be off-line reading as well. That's what I used leafnode for when
I was on dial-up. I run "fetchnews" from the ip-up script and
disconnected. I answered using pine or mozilla or whatever, and my answers
were sent the next time I connected.
This is linux, everything is possible ;-)
> * with news it's the server that archives the messages, usually for a limited
> time (1 month, frequently), so anybody coming in the middle of a discussion
> can read and answer. mails can be archived by the server, but in openSUSE one
> mails are obfuscated and it's impossible to answer neither on the list neither
> to the original poster
That's the typical use, but the users can also keep their local copy with
different deletion policy.
> anyway, if most of the users agreed, it's very easy to test it for a limited
> period of time and to make a decision afterward.
As I don't participate there, it's up to you all. I only wanted to mention
some points.
>
> news is not yet used by openSUSE, it's a shame, this is a very old and very
> nice tool :-)
True. It is used by Novell, by the way (support-forums.novell.com). There
are some opensuse groups there, with messages stored for two years that I
can see.
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Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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The Sunday 2006-12-31 at 10:26 +0100, jdd sur free wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> > On news servers the administrator can also delete postings. I'm unsure if
> > that will stop clients from posting again to that same OT thread if they
> > have a local copy, though.
>
> on news server, there is nothing like "local copy" (unless you make a save),
> so it's no more possible to anwser a cancelled message.
No, the client can have a full copy of what is (or was) at the upstream
news server. Mozilla can do that. More, you can have your local mirror
news server, using package "leafnode".
That's what I call client local copy.
I'm not sure that what is deleted upstream is also deleted on client
copies. That's the point I was wondering about.
>
> do think at the differences between news and mail:
>
> * news are online reading. one must be online to use the forum. This allow the
> owner or a moderator to cancel a message. Mail are off line reading, so posts
> sent are kept by the receiver. this is cheaper as for connection cost, the
> receiver can keep a copy of the message. The owner have to keep a copy of all
> messages if he wants to be able to answer an old message
News can be off-line reading as well. That's what I used leafnode for when
I was on dial-up. I run "fetchnews" from the ip-up script and
disconnected. I answered using pine or mozilla or whatever, and my answers
were sent the next time I connected.
This is linux, everything is possible ;-)
> * with news it's the server that archives the messages, usually for a limited
> time (1 month, frequently), so anybody coming in the middle of a discussion
> can read and answer. mails can be archived by the server, but in openSUSE one
> mails are obfuscated and it's impossible to answer neither on the list neither
> to the original poster
That's the typical use, but the users can also keep their local copy with
different deletion policy.
> anyway, if most of the users agreed, it's very easy to test it for a limited
> period of time and to make a decision afterward.
As I don't participate there, it's up to you all. I only wanted to mention
some points.
>
> news is not yet used by openSUSE, it's a shame, this is a very old and very
> nice tool :-)
True. It is used by Novell, by the way (support-forums.novell.com). There
are some opensuse groups there, with messages stored for two years that I
can see.
- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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