Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (198 mails)

[Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx>]

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jdd sur free wrote:
> Pascal Bleser a écrit :
>> If we can't use the openSUSE logo on our own initiatives, then there is
>> no such thing as a community.
> 
> That's not the problem. If this site is aimed to hold info illegal from
> the US point of view, it must be clear it's not Novell's supported,
> that's all... if not, why have two sites :-)

Ok, now I see what you mean. Indeed ;)

http://opensuse-community.org:
"The openSUSE-Community is a project aiming to channel more of a
community effort into our favourite distribution, openSUSE. This
includes -- but is not exclusive to -- adding all the extra
documentation that is required for a seamless openSUSE experience.
Through this wiki, we intend to provide a placeholder for all additional
information. This site is not meant to in any way create a duplication
of effort to what is already on http://openSUSE.org, but rather to be a
supplement to what is there."

I'm not sure we should explicitly mention the content provided there
contains information that _might_ be infringing some patents in the US
though.

>> I find it already a pity not having @opensuse.org email addresses for
>> people who contribute a lot to the effort -- but that's (almost) another
>> story.
> 
> right now, openSUSE is quite only Novell. Of course I don't
> underestimate the community effort (and I'm not Novell myself :-), but
> the road is long before we can say that the community leads the
> project... and this is precisely the reason for we need this other site :-)

Exactly. But sorry, openSUSE is not "quite only Novell" in my opinion.
The distribution is mostly driven by Novell, but not the community
around it, obviously.
Let's not understate our contribution to the project.

>>> * it should very clearly state what can be set in, what can't be written
>>> on it (if any) and what should better be on opensuse.org
>>
>> It's not that easy to "clearly state" it.
>> We'll just see how it comes along and possibly move things that belong
>> to opensuse.org over there.
> 
> this is the main problem I see now, we don't have so many people and not
> so many human power free.

I think we do have a lot of people.
The "problem", currently, is rather that it is scattered around many
smaller communities (some of them are quite large, "smaller" just means
smaller than the overall community ;)).
Some of those communities (e.g. existing forums) somehow don't seem to
see themselves as part of the openSUSE community (as a whole).
But, as said, that's another discussion. We had it already and I'm
willing to discuss it all over again, but with all the people who are
concerned being involved in it, etc... But let's not discuss that in the
middle of another email thread on a list that is flooded with chit-chat.

> It's very good to be able to say "some legal problems forgice us to
> write some things on official openSUSE web site, feel free to insert
> then here..."
> 
>> If it doesn't imply potential legal issues, put it opensuse.org
>> If it is about mplayer, mad, lame, Packman, Guru, etc.. then we have to
>> put it on opensuse-community.org as Novell forbids us to put it on
>> opensuse.org
> 
> this very sentence could be a good start as a rule :-)

Just forget about "rules" atm. Let's not spend 6 months thinking about
rules, control, sysops, how to enforce them, bla bla bla.
Let's just do it, right now, see how it evolves and adjust accordingly,
if needed.

>> I think the first goal for us, as the current editors on the
>> opensuse-community.org wiki are all active helpers on the #suse IRC
>> channel, is to put content about frequently asked questions that come up
>> again and again over there.
> 
> I personally don't like IRC, so why you bareky see me there, but this
> is a very good idea :-)

Along with forums, it's the best place to see what people are mostly
having problems with, what information they are looking for, etc...

We really encounter a certain number of questions and topics over and
over again. Having those things documented properly somewhere would
definitely help.

>> I hope other websites about SUSE (forums, wikis, ...) will jump over
>> their shadow and will help contribute into a single wiki (well, two
>> wikis, opensuse.org and opensuse-community.org) as the current situation
>> where a lot of information is split all over many different websites is
>> dissatisfactory IMHO. At least for end users.
>> As the previous initiative (quite a while back) to try to unify
>> documentation and articles about SUSE Linux was a complete failure, we
>> hope it will work out better this time.
> 
> I don't think so. there are many communities on the web and each of the
> living ones have a real (even if unknown) reason to live. merging is
> much less frequent than splitting :-(

Yeah, I know, and of course they should all keep on going, they're all a
very helpful resource. The point is not to merge the "micro" communities
around openSUSE. The point is to centralize wiki pages, howtos,
articles, documentation in *one place*. Because of the legal reasons
already discussed, unfortunately, it's two places instead of one. But
that's still better than a dozen IMHO.

>> I think it's about time to jump over egos and see the bigger picture,
>> start working somewhat together will the different parts of the
>> community. But that's just my opinion.
> 
> I have no problem with this for my own :-)

Good ;)

cheers
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