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AW: AW: [suse-programming-e] wxwindows or qt?
- From: "Monaghan, John" <monaghan@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:35:41 +0200
- Message-id: <3247AD3C1A67EB49BD3BF512AEB14F9F07B057@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I know I said that my last email was the last comment I would make, but I have to respond to these emails.
One reason I rarely post to these lists is because it is so painful. If you disagree or even try and put the other side, you are immediately flamed.
Let me put this straight.
I use Linux 100% at home, Windows 2000 100% at work
I am a Software developer by profession (with a degree)
I first started using Linux in 1993
I don't have a problem with QT
I DON'T have a problem with wxwindows
I use KDE, GNOME, etc..... as my desktop manager
....
I find it very difficult when people say I'm right and you are wrong when all of it is subjective - this is called bigotry. Derek Fountain wrote:
" > This is my last comment on this subject.
Then I won't bother reading or answering."
I find this very typical at the moment and the reason why companies such as SCO are having a field day (whether or not they lose their case). They just see arrogance, which is a shame because the majority of us are not. You can comment about QT as much as you like, what I was saying was that I wasn't going to be drawn into a fruitless argument.
I did not at any time say QT was bad - I expressed a preference, I use both and neither are bad. Accept the fact that people are going to differ from what you say.
To Salman, you missed the point to my email. I don't have the disease that you say - you don't know me at all. I was trying to balance a one sided argument - I will do this for anything because I can't stand bias or bigotry. I don't have to hate Trolltech to love wxwindows, I don't have to hate KDE to love Gnome or vice-versa. My comments reflect the emails that I sent to Julian Smart and the responses I received.
Lastly, my time with Linux has not always been smooth - but having done technical support for Windows systems before, I don't want to use Windows. Again this is my choice.
The guy who asked the original question needs to make up his own mind, which I think he has.
Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best regards
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Salman Khilji [mailto:skhilji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Juni 2003 04:15
An: suse-programming-e@xxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: AW: [suse-programming-e] wxwindows or qt?
>
> > 3. I personally think (subjective!) that the C++ implementation is
> > cleaner in wxwindows and doesn't need things such as MOC. It also
> > promises to be as platform independant as possible.
>
I have experience with both and I have to second that Qt is much cleaner than
wxWindows EVEN with MOC issues considered.
Several people have this "disease" that software must be free of $$. Anything
commercial just doesn't do it for them. While totally neglecting the fact
that $$ of software is just a small fraction of what companies pay the
developers. In commercial terms, the cost of development software is
considered "change" or "drop in a bucket". For those kind of people
wxWindows is more attractive.
Notice that you could give the same argument for using Linux is the first
place. As a matter of fact I STRUGGLED with some font issues for about an
hour at work today (after which I gave up and decided to live with the
problem). Ever seen a Windows user struggle with fonts? This time alone
together with a few other days basically has made Linux itself more expensive
than Windows.
So back to wxWindows. Even it may be free, the time that you spend find good
documentation and learning it will be more than Qt learning curve.
I use Linux because I hate M$. If I hated TrollTech, maybe I'd be voting for
wxWindows.
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One reason I rarely post to these lists is because it is so painful. If you disagree or even try and put the other side, you are immediately flamed.
Let me put this straight.
I use Linux 100% at home, Windows 2000 100% at work
I am a Software developer by profession (with a degree)
I first started using Linux in 1993
I don't have a problem with QT
I DON'T have a problem with wxwindows
I use KDE, GNOME, etc..... as my desktop manager
....
I find it very difficult when people say I'm right and you are wrong when all of it is subjective - this is called bigotry. Derek Fountain wrote:
" > This is my last comment on this subject.
Then I won't bother reading or answering."
I find this very typical at the moment and the reason why companies such as SCO are having a field day (whether or not they lose their case). They just see arrogance, which is a shame because the majority of us are not. You can comment about QT as much as you like, what I was saying was that I wasn't going to be drawn into a fruitless argument.
I did not at any time say QT was bad - I expressed a preference, I use both and neither are bad. Accept the fact that people are going to differ from what you say.
To Salman, you missed the point to my email. I don't have the disease that you say - you don't know me at all. I was trying to balance a one sided argument - I will do this for anything because I can't stand bias or bigotry. I don't have to hate Trolltech to love wxwindows, I don't have to hate KDE to love Gnome or vice-versa. My comments reflect the emails that I sent to Julian Smart and the responses I received.
Lastly, my time with Linux has not always been smooth - but having done technical support for Windows systems before, I don't want to use Windows. Again this is my choice.
The guy who asked the original question needs to make up his own mind, which I think he has.
Mit freundlichem Gruß / Best regards
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Salman Khilji [mailto:skhilji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Juni 2003 04:15
An: suse-programming-e@xxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: AW: [suse-programming-e] wxwindows or qt?
>
> > 3. I personally think (subjective!) that the C++ implementation is
> > cleaner in wxwindows and doesn't need things such as MOC. It also
> > promises to be as platform independant as possible.
>
I have experience with both and I have to second that Qt is much cleaner than
wxWindows EVEN with MOC issues considered.
Several people have this "disease" that software must be free of $$. Anything
commercial just doesn't do it for them. While totally neglecting the fact
that $$ of software is just a small fraction of what companies pay the
developers. In commercial terms, the cost of development software is
considered "change" or "drop in a bucket". For those kind of people
wxWindows is more attractive.
Notice that you could give the same argument for using Linux is the first
place. As a matter of fact I STRUGGLED with some font issues for about an
hour at work today (after which I gave up and decided to live with the
problem). Ever seen a Windows user struggle with fonts? This time alone
together with a few other days basically has made Linux itself more expensive
than Windows.
So back to wxWindows. Even it may be free, the time that you spend find good
documentation and learning it will be more than Qt learning curve.
I use Linux because I hate M$. If I hated TrollTech, maybe I'd be voting for
wxWindows.
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