Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-packaging (232 mails)

[Marguerite Su <i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 2012/2/13 Marguerite Su <i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > Sorry, but in 2010 I'm an outside normal desktop user instead of a
> > packager. I have no idea of that issue.
>
> Maybe it would be nice to check.

I'm not learning HISTORY in this mailing list. now the fact is:
existing freetype2 renders most of our fonts good, but leaves some ones bad.
unluckily I'm among the bad font users.
and most of the bad fonts are CJK ones.
It distorts the user experience of a whole huge group of people.

> > And furthermore I'm afraid sub-pixel rendering issue is a long-live
> > and never-truly-fixed issue in openSUSE community. because core
> > developers of Freetype2 and openSUSE never ever tested their works on
> > CJK...they even don't know how a "usable" CJK font rending looks
> > like...in Chinese community, if you can adjust fonts.conf properly,
> > you will be called "Master" of openSUSE.
>
> The problem with the sub-pixel hinting isn't related to to people not
> caring, it's relating to DRM/DRI and patents, that's what has been
> stopping distributions (Fedora and openSUSE) from shipping with it.

Yes, that's why we need our loyal legal team.


> > At least this infinality patch set can help us out of that weird
> > thing. instead of adjusting overnights to get a usable environment( of
> > course without help from propietary fonts by MS or Apple), they
> > provide a usable environment within a few clicks.
>
> Doesn't matter if it violates patents or is tainted with DRM. We have
> export laws to honor.
>
> > Almost all modern CJK fonts support sub-pixel rendering, including
> > default shipped with openSUSE. and to a font does not support that
> > function, infinality is not poison.
>
> It's not poison, but if it breaks patents and DRM it might mean LAW
> SUIT, and either SUSE or Red Hat are good targets for those processes.
> As far as I know the only fonts that support sub-pixel hinting in full
> for Linux are actually the microsoft core fonts, none of the others
> supports fully sub-pixel hinting (and Ubuntu Family Fonts most
> likely). The default GNOME fonts do not fully support sub-pixel
> hinting (at least they didnt last time I checked).

we don't need font-support-hinting-in-full. can't expect that much.

support in a little helps a lot.


> > Marguerite
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Hasn't the sub-pixel rendering issue been fixed already in 2010? If
> > > so, there's not much to do is there?
> > > Furthermore! Please double check this: do the fonts we ship with
> > > support sub-pixel hinting? Because if they don't, the patch won't do
> > > any miracles at all...
> > >
> > > NM
> > > --
> > > Nelson Marques
> > >
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>
>
>
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> Nelson Marques
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