Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-marketing (508 mails)

[Adrian Schröter <adrian@xxxxxxx>]

Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:08:06 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:29 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 10:18:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> > > On 2011-02-04 Bryen wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
> > > > > Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> > > > > > A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open
> > > > > > Build
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Service"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and
> > > > > > allowing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > people to use "openSUSE Build Service" or "open Build
> > > > > > Service"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as they see fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service
> > > > >
> > > > > I vote for B.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Since the words 'openSUSE Build Service' are already all
> > > > > over
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > *.opensuse.org sites, we have to replace *ALL* of them with
> >
> > 'Open
> >
> > > > > Build
> > > > >
> > > > > Service' if we change the name.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I'd like to ask you, who will vote for A: Are you
> > > > > willing to
> > > > >
> > > > > replace the words 'openSUSE Build Service' which are already
> > > > > on
> > > > >
> > > > > whole
> > > > >
> > > > > *.opensuse.org sites with 'Open Build Service' responsibly?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If the answer is 'No, someone except me should do.', I'm
> > > > > sorry
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > > say
> > > > >
> > > > > you are an irresponsible person. Only if the answer is 'Yes,
> >
> > I'll
> >
> > > > > volunteer to do so.', the option A would be a compelling
> >
> > opinion.
> >
> > > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > That's a valid concern. And I just poked someone in the wiki
> > > > team
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > ask how difficult this challenge would be. From a technical
> >
> > standpoint,
> >
> > > > it's not that difficult to install an extension from mediawiki
> > > > to
> >
> > do
> >
> > > > mass edits. At the very least, we could produce a list of all
> >
> > pages
> >
> > > > that have that string and a group of us volunteer to go through
> >
> > pages
> >
> > > > one-by-one to clean it up. Obviously this only applies to pages
> >
> > where
> >
> > > > the full "openSUSE Build Service" string exists. Those where OBS
> >
> > is
> >
> > > > only used, no need to worry.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So... I'm volunteering to jump on on the cleanup effort if
> > > > that's
> >
> > what
> >
> > > > is eventually decided upon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I remind you all that again, we are only voting on a
> >
> > recommendation to
> >
> > > > give to the OBS team. We're not actually making a decision here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bryen
> > >
> > > Assuming everyone who didn't reply doesn't have a strong opinion or
> >
> > isn't
> >
> > > that interested, the conclusion is that we go for option A: Open
> >
> > Build
> >
> > > Service. Bryen has offered to make sure it all looks good in the
> >
> > wiki and
> >
> > > other pages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, Bryen or Helen - which one of you communicates this to the OBS
> >
> > people,
> >
> > > tell them the marketing team recommends a name change to Open Build
> >
> > Service
> >
> > > and will take care of the renaming work on the websites?
> >
> > Hello ?
> >
> >
> > OBS is not owned by you people.
> >
> > You can of course also decide to rename the Linux Kernel, but this is
> > not the way to make this happen.
>
> Adrian,
>
> I think something got lost in this thread.  When I redirected this
> thread to put an ned to the endless discussion, I clearly stated that we
> can only vote to recommend and that we cannot decide for the OBS team.
> You and I are on the same page.  "We people" don't get to decide for
> you.  We can only recommend and I think that is an important role for
> the marketing team to express its concerns about any obstacles it has
> when it attempts to market products under the openSUSE Project umbrella,
> including OBS.   We consider OBS an important product to market to the
> masses and we do have some concerns, as stated in this thread, about how
> "openSUSE Build Service" as a name does not convey the true reach of the
> product.  We're all partners here and should feel comfortable about
> conveying our concerns in an objective way.
>
> Shortly, Helen and I will formulate a formal recommendation statement
> and we hope the OBS Team will review the recommendation objectively.
> However, we recognize that the OBS Team is free to accept, reject, or
> even ignore the recommendation outright.

The point is, also the OBS developer team is not free to decide (I hope this
became clear in earlier mails). OBS is a SUSE/Novell product in first place, 
used also by openSUSE.

I am also personal interessted in a name change, but I can't decide this on my 
own as well.
It would be good in any case if would not start on changing the web pages like
suggested in the mail before.

-- 
Adrian Schroeter
SUSE Linux Products GmbH
email: adrian@xxxxxxx

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