Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-marketing (129 mails)

["Piotrek Juźwiak" <piotrek.juzwiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday 01 July 2009 06:39:48 Abhradip mukherjee wrote:
> > I have tried very hard to stay out of this.
> >
> > openSUSE is a registered trademark.  Ask Novel what they want to call it.
>
> That's why I asked Zonker and Brien to reply
>
> > There is GNU software in Solaris; it is not GNU/Solaris.  There is Gnu
> > software in AIX; it is not GNU/AIX.
>
> Because solaris and AIX started their development independently and
> they have their own system. But Linux was not an independent system
> itself. It was just a kernel released on some mailing list by a
> hobbyist named Linus Torvalds [1].  The available free system (There
> were no other free system available at that time) which was used by
> other hobbyists was GNU. GNU started it all - The Free OS, Free
> software, Free toolkit - everything. They started a project on kernel
> too (HURD). But Linux was readily available and people along with FSF
> decided to work on that. So you see there is no reason for calling
> AIX, GNU/AIX but when you talk about Linux based OS like openSUSE, it
> is not complete without GNU.
>
> > I am a purist.  The kernel is the OS and everything else runs on the
> > kernel.  It is Linux.  In our case it is openSUSE/Linux, NOT
> > openSUSE/GNU/Linux.  I am an openSUSE ambassador, not a GNU/Linux
> > ambassador. That is a different mailing list.
>
> As you are purist, after understanding the lines I wrote above, you
> should follow the proper way to refer to the system. Kernel is
> important but an OS is not complete without any shell  or application.
> Linux is the kernel, the rest of it is highly dependent on GNU
> software. Hence I call it GNU/Linux (I am not asking to call it only
> GNU, I know how important Linux is).
>
> And as an openSUSE ambassador you must know your beloved OS properly.
> And I am on a proper mailing list because I love openSUSE too, but I
> am not properly aligned with the view that it is only "linux" as you
> call it.
>
> > I have been on this mailing list for less than a week and 90% of the
> > bandwidthe is consumed by this thread.  Let it go.  Go preach to a
> > different choir, I know my relegion.  Stop trying to convert me.  If I
> > wanted to prosteletize for Richard Stallman I woul be on a GNU mailling
> > list.
>
> Computer and software are not religions. These are just tools. But
> tools with great power. Tomorrow the whole world is going to be
> controlled by these tools. If we do not take caution and depend on
> non-free software heavily, then at that time perhaps for even drinking
> water you might need a license from the company who manufactured the
> computer that controls your city water suply system. Hence spreading
> the word of freedom in technology is necessary. It is not about
> following some other person, it is about understanding the danger of
> non-free technology and protesting against it both technically an
> sociologically.
>
> Calling the system GNU/Linux is just  a way to make people aware of
> GNU. Unfortunately Linux related websites do not talk about such
> dangers and emphasizes only on technicality. Making people aware about
> GNU will guide them to GNU related websites which talk about technical
> freedom. In this way just using the term GNU/Linux you can help the
> greater sociological cause outside the world of computer tools.
>
>
> -- ADM
>
> [1] https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhasan/linux/#New%20Baby%20in%20the%20Horizon


I'm getting tired of this. It sounds to me like a holy war. I don't care if it 
is called GNU/Linux or Linux as long as it is free as in freedom. So people 
please stop fighting for it like some religious maniacs...
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