Hello, As you know, a few weeks ago KDE announced Plasma 5.8 would be a LTS release. I think the decision to create a LTS release was at least partly caused by our (openSUSE) needs, so I think it's nice of them to decide to do that for us and I think it would benefit both KDE and openSUSE if we included Plasma 5.8 in openSUSE Leap 42.2 . 18 months of upstream support? I'm sure nobody would say no to that. The problem comes when one looks at the schedules for Plasma and openSUSE Leap releases: https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap The main part of the current schedules is: 2016-08-25: openSUSE 42.2 Beta 1 2016-09-15: KDE 5.8 Repo Freeze 2016-09-21: openSUSE 42.2 Beta 2 - Package freeze 2016-09-29: KDE 5.7.95 LTS (5.8.0 Beta) 2016-10-06: openSUSE 42.2 RC1 2016-10-13: KDE 5.8.0 LTS Release 2016-10-18: openSUSE 42.2 RC2 first week of November 2016: openSUSE 42.2 Release As you see, there's quite bad timing in there. I've talked with some plasma developers and Ludwig separately trying to move both schedules around in a way that could make it possible to get 5.8.0 in openSUSE 42.2. I have a proposal that I think (and hope) that will satisfy everyone so I think it's time to move this forward to all involved parties. In that sense, I wrote a very similar mail to the plasma developers and will send it at the same time than this one. I hope you like the proposal and note that I've tried to keep in mind the needs of each project (QtCon/Akademy dates and the desire to have a stable Plasma release on one side, SUSECon/SLE12SP2/other dates and the desire to have a stable openSUSE release on the other). This mean bringing forward some kde release dates and postponing some openSUSE pre-releases to make everything fit tightly: 2016-09-01: openSUSE 42.2 Beta 1 (this would include the last Plasma release available at that time, 5.7.4 or 5.7.5) 2016-09-08: Plasma 5.8 Repo Freeze (last day of Akademy, maybe that could be moved to freeze the repo just before QtCon?) 2016-09-15: Plasma 5.7.95 LTS (aka 5.8.0 Beta) 2016-09-21: openSUSE 42.2 Beta 2 - Package freeze (with 5.7.95) 2016-09-29: Plasma 5.8.0 LTS Release 2016-10-06: openSUSE 42.2 RC1 (with Plasma 5.8.0) 2016-10-11: Plasma 5.8.1 LTS 2016-10-18: openSUSE 42.2 RC2 (most probably including Plasma 5.8.1 if bugs found and depending on the size of changes) 2016-10-18: Plasma 5.8.2 LTS 2016-11-01: Plasma 5.8.3 LTS First week of November 2016: openSUSE 42.2 Release Following that schedule means that openSUSE 42.2 would be released including 5.8.1. This would mean too that we (can I include myself as a kde packager too? :) ) would have less time to package KDE releases for 42.2 and less time to test them too since some openSUSE betas would be postponed but RC1 and RC2 would stay at the same dates. Ludwig also mentioned he's willing to shift the Leap schedule a bit more if needed, but for now, the proposal is what's stated above. So, my question is, would you agree with that? Anybody sees any problem if both projects agree to those changes to their respective schedules? Please, keep in mind that both projects have needs and requirements, but it would be great to find one solution that benefits both of us and for that, both projects have to give in a little. Thanks, -- Antonio Larrosa alarrosa@suse.de larrosa@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org