On 02/13/2016 09:43 AM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On samedi, 13 février 2016 06.13:40 h CET sdm wrote:
On 02/13/2016 01:48 AM, Alin Marin Elena wrote:
Dear All,
Having in mind the discussions appeared lately about KDE Neon... I think we shall have an official postion since we still ship kde as default de. My main concern is that bugs reported from anything else than neon will be considered non-kde. Already had this experience working in a kde project with some of the supporters of neon...
for background: this is Bryan article http://www.networkworld.com/article/3032063/opensource-subnet/kdes-new-linux... a more interesting because of comments version https://plus.google.com/+BryanLunduke/posts/XfLoyBaxeea
the kde-promo mailing list (this got censored to prevent the best coming out from neon supporters) [kde-promo] KDE Neon and how to handle this?
an interesting link on reedit... In which the is kde neon a distro question is answered... by one of the neon people... https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/43tp4i/ is_kde_neon_a_distribution_or_not/ ten days ago seems the answer is: yes, and is indeed a fork/continuation of some other distro three days ago the answer seems to be yes and no...
Regards, Alin "We use Ubuntu as a base for KDE neon because we feel it offers the best technology as a stable release and the best third-party support. The KDE neon team is familiar with Ubuntu, having worked with it for over a decade. We also feel that Ubuntu users will miss out if they do not have up-to-date KDE software." http://neon.kde.org.uk/faq
Interesting; they are saying Ubuntu offers the "best" technology -- a distro that doesn't have anything to do with KDE. I guess us openSUSE users are using an inferior platform according to the KDE Neon team. Do we really need yet another distro when new Linux users are already overwhelmed by the amount of distros currently out there and learning how to use Linux? Neon is a stupid idea, and obviously the person who made that quote let his own personal bias be made public. That FAQ really should be modified. So now we have yet another fork of Ubuntu, which is a fork of Debian. Just what we needed.
sdm
I've stay away from the fight, and my answer (if only it's one). Only the facts are important. We here as supporters of KDE ecosystems, helped and served by the fantastic team of packagers and maintainers we have around, should only work together in one way : make and prove that all of this sh...t is bullsh...t
Make openSUSE the perfect reference in terms of integration, polished, and fresh !
We will need braves souls to go to Berlin this year at Akademy, run an openSUSE booth with our both products Leap and Tumbleweed and be proud about what we do.
Being Green, Proud, Standing up in front of adversity is how we will win at the end.
Really what this all boils down to is who controls what. People within the KDE dev team want to have a higher degree of control over their dev work, because obviously they aren't happy with SUSE or Fedora KDE, Arch, etc. We are not good enough for them. So it's essentially them giving SUSE and every other distro that has been around for many years the middle finger and going off in their own direction. We don't need a dev team that creates a desktop environment creating their own distribution. That is unheard of, and for good reason. That's obviously permitted with the GPL, but then we are permitted to criticize the idea and let the community know to avoid the project and why. Then the project fails all on its own, which I think this one will. It sounds like a divide is beginning to happen within the KDE team. Bug fixes are unanswered for years, plasmashell crashes for people constantly, there are numerous bugs open about serious problems with Plasma 5 that just sit there, and all this when GNOME 3 runs pretty much just fine. Are we blind to just sit there and let all this happen and not take any actions? I suggest that openSUSE starts looking at switching to GNOME as the default desktop, and we can have a GNOME 3.x that has a taskbar at the bottom so it's Windows-like, and some default sensible options like having the minimize/maximize buttons there by default. I don't particularly care for GNOME, but I am very bothered today by this news and nothing is changing my opinion about it, and it's very disturbing and unwelcoming. In the Linux world, we have amazing things happening in so many areas, then you have stories coming out about this total Neon turd idea. sdm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org