On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:29, Martin Schlander
Tirsdag den 10. januar 2012 13:13:04 Will Stephenson skrev:
It's easy to point back to the good old days where SUSE invested resources from other teams (YaST->updater, Mobile Devices->KNetworkManager) in desktop- specific tools, but we can't wind back the clock, so we need to work with what we have, and fixing Apper/pk-zypp is the cheapest way to do so.
The amount of work in a NIH applet wrapped around libzypp with equivalent functionality to what we have now is significant to start up, and to maintain - ask the YaST team.
Even for a real simple one like SuSEwatcher in the good old days, which simply notified about updates and then launched YOU to do the actual installation etc.?
Seems to me that you and Duncan and probably others have spent a significant amount of time trying to fix PackageKit stuff. And odds are the minute it starts to work fairly smooth, RH will decide to rewrite/redesign PackageKit completely and put us right back to square one.
Of course I'm not an expert, but I'd think with the developer time invested in debugging and fixing the PackageKit stack (with moderate success), it would be possible to write an update notifier plasmoid/systray thing which could launch YOU.
Please, to quote a earlier mail: "no plasma!". The use of systray has the additional bonus of working also in gnome with no additional work, as long the program adheres to the freedesktop.org standards for systray. Also works on xfce, fvwm, wm, lxde, etc. One tool for all. Less work for all. Shiny is nice, but full function first. SuSEwatcher did this in his time. To bring "back" a pure SUSE tool has the "payload"/responsibility to be the ones who maintain it, sure. But, see above, RH "owns" PK. On one hand YaST is lauded as the holy grail in system and software management, on the other it's circumvented especially for the updates! No, for the users this makes no sense at all, for them/us this reeks of politics. Not quality, not added value. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org