Am Freitag, 7. Oktober 2011, 20:17:58 schrieb Will Stephenson:
My opinion (slightly subject to what you actually feel are wrong with activities, but going with the "are annoying" you posted later in the thread) is that we should not go configuring upstream's flagship features out because Statler and Waldorf find them annoying.
1) That way lies stagnation and death - you might as well stop shipping new versions of KDE after 4.4, or fork the damn thing.
2) This sends a terrible message to upstream that we just consider their features unfixably broken, when instead we should be actively working with them to communicate problems and suggest fixes.
3) Upstream app authors will be coding against new features and we will get bug reports that people can't find the Activities switcher when they try to use apps which use Activities. Don't expect them to code their apps to hide Activity features when the panel does not contain an activity switcher either. For an example, see the Activity-specific power management options mentioned in this screencast: http://drfav.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/power-management-a- new-screencast/
4) Extra overhead 1: we'll have to document how we are changing upstream's defaults
5) Extra overhead 2: The KDE:Release:* projects, which stick to upstream defaults, will have to take care that they don't inadvertently ship our changes.
So I think we should identify what's wrong with Activities and see what is needed to make them work first.
I agree with this. I got the impression that over the last few weeks, maybe months, KDE within openSUSE lost a bit of focus and momentum. I guess that's simply because there is no time or maybe the need to work on other non-KDE stuff within openSUSE. Examples are the UpdatedApps repo which does not have an official openSUSE maintainer anymore, KR47 being very late until it worked, still no solution for the potential 11.4 VUL regarding kpackagekit never showing updates and the new kssl one https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=721974 . It's not meant as an accusation but just my impression which leads me to think that given these low resources, for 12.1 there should be only one thing to focus on and that's KDEPIM. To configure virtual desktops might be annoying but since most people move their profile along, I do not think that this or anything else comes close to a not working KDEPIM or its migration. KDEPIM works ok for me, there are still issues which are supposedly fixed in master (e.g. filtering blocking UI) but kdepim will be the culprit with this release even if I think that "this kdepim is unusable" is a polemic exaggeration. Unless there is some data loss bug I am not aware off I think that not shipping kdepim 4.7 but e.g. 4.4 is no good. 4.4 had its issues and since nepomuk is disabled for openSUSE by default anyway kdepim 4.7.2 works ok even speed-wise. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org