Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-kde (348 mails)

[Roger Luedecke <roger.luedecke@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 05:02:23 AM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
> Am 07.09.2011 13:27, schrieb Adrian Schröter:
> > Am Mittwoch, 7. September 2011, 13:30:14 schrieb Kim Leyendecker:
> > > Am 06.09.2011 22:27, schrieb Steven Sroka:
> > > > > On 6 September 2011 16:12, Michael Powell<nightrecon@xxxxxxxxxxx>   
wrote:
> > > > > >   John McInnes wrote:
> > > > > > > >   On 09/06/2011 08:19 AM, phanisvara das wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >   probably a question of what one got used to. those who used
> > > > > > > > > >   amarok 1.4
> > > > > > > > > >   a lot may experience some sort of 'culture shock,' since the
> > > > > > > > > >   interface
> > > > > > > > > >   changed a lot. others (like me) who didn't use the earlier
> > > > > > > > > >   version much, have less trouble. if that's true, having amarok
> > > > > > > > > >   as default and
> > > > > > > > > >   clementine as an option makes sense, since long time users are
> > > > > > > > > >   more
> > > > > > > > > >   likely to know about the alternative and can easier implement
> > > > > > > > > >   it.
> > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > >   Yeah thats true, Amarok<= 1.4 was great. Really the best music
> > > > > > > >   player
> > > > > > > >   for a long time. Then the new Amarok came out... just horrible
> > > > > > > >   UI. I switched to Clementine.
> > > > > >   
> > > > > >   The Amarok UI is just something to which I rapidly adapted. My bone
> > > > > >   to pick
> > > > > >   with the "new and improved" Amarok is every few updates, or so, it
> > > > > >   breaks.
> > > > > >   For version whores like me we will go along just fine for a while,
> > > > > >   but eventually (and fairly regularly I might add) some update
> > > > > >   installs a version which missed the QA cycle and has something
> > > > > >   wrong with it.
> > > > > >   
> > > > > >   I used to just use Clementine temporarily and return to Amarok when
> > > > > >   some
> > > > > >   subsequent update had it working properly once again. As time went
> > > > > >   by and I
> > > > > >   experienced this cycle more and more I just stayed with Clementine.
> > > > > >   It doesn't seem to have this 'every few updates has a broken
> > > > > >   one...', at least
> > > > > >   have not seen it do this yet.
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > > >   I don't mind if Amarok is default, so long as I can find
> > > > > > > >   Clementine easily. Currently it's in packman.
> > > > > >   
> > > > > >   That's kind of how I feel too. As long as I can switch my system to
> > > > > >   whatever I choose I'm happy.
> > > >
> > > > But are the majority of users happy with Amarok? I liked Amarok
> > > > (except for playing CD's) until I tried Clementine - Christmas came
> > > > early that day:)
> > >
> > > Then maybe a poll is the best thing to do. I could talk to the news team
> > > if they would support a poll. We might could that include in news.o.o
> >
> > Seriously, a poll is not a valid way to find a good default setup.
> >
> > When you want to spend effort then define which tasks should be able to
> > do with the music player and test this in real life afterwards.
>
> Well, at first the music player should be able to play all common
> formats like MP3 or OGG
>
> The UI should be intuitive and easy to use (easy doesn´t mean few
> features, it does mean, that even my mother, who isn´t a savvy person
> can use it *without* learning it for hours and can fix small
> configuration problem by herself.)
>
> My favorite music player is still iTunes. Although it´s (at least under
> Windows) really big and fat, I like the way it works. Well, maybe
> because it´s the perfect product to work together with your iPod. I love
> having a statistic about which songs I heard and how often (well, I´m a
> statistic freak, I guess) so, iTunes is my first choice.
>
> Yes, *mine* I guess, that the vast majority prefers using something more
> lightweight. And that´s an important point to me. I listened to music
> when I was working with my 4GB RAM notebook. I had have three programs
> open: Amarok for music, Firefox for internet and VirtualBox for a fresh
> installation of openSUSE factory. The played music wasn´t that good
> quality and often lagged a lot.
>
> So, I would say, it´s important that the player is lightweight.
>
> conclusion:
>
> * should play common formats
> * should have an intuitive UI
> * should be lightweight and work well even with some old hardware
>
> Do you agree? Something to add?
>
> > The poll would only represent individual opinions of one kind of people,
> > but it would not represent the audience we have in mind with our
> > distribution.
>
> Why? isn´t the audience our community? Or do you mean that not everyone
> is regarding such a poll, and that the minority is following it?
Sounds very good to me.  I used to like iTunes then they ept changing things 
and I abandoned it even on my Mac. I always thought that if "lightweight" 
wasn't too much of an issue that Songbird was one of the most robust, feature 
rich and professional looking media players.
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