On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:00, Steven Sroka
On 15 August 2011 16:16, Kim Leyendecker
wrote: Am 15.08.2011 21:20, schrieb Roger Luedecke: However as an Ambassador I must emphasize that these sort of anomalies, no matter how technically minor will shake the confidence of someone trying the new release. The things that we may consider minor, a new user will consider to be clues to the overall experience and what to expect; this is especially true for new users coming from Windows. Thus we lose a potential asset to the community in favor of some other distro (usually Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, or Mandriva). Frankly, I would rather we be a bit late on releasing 12.1 than to release it as finished with the same sort of issues 11.4 showed.
Sorry, I don´t get it. Where we are loosing users? And why?
And the releasing point of 12.1 is actually the right choose. If we release it later, there won´t be time enough between KDE 4.7 and 4.8.
So, could you please explain the quoted post to me?
I think Roger (generally) means that there needs to be more fine tuning before releases. At least in this sense, I agree. It's why I'm doing more testing myself. One simple solution to this is to make milestone release more prominent. Like posting an something like an advertisment on opensuse.org.
I don't think pushing back a release is necessarily a good thing because people expect and prepare for a release on a certain date.
+1 on the fine tuning, esp. Samba was / is a mess on 11.4 from the DVD. Is AppArmor really the endall on Security? If there's a REAL commit from openSUSE to AppArmor, then the provided profiles should be tested to the extreme, to avoid a repest of the mess thst was the release of 11.4. Some of the systems I've installed would either run AppArmor OR Samba, but never ever both, no matter how up-to-date via update-repo. Most of the affected Systems where DVD installs. A few thoughts on the causes: - A clean DVD install is vastly different from a updated Factory system. - The defaults on KDE for a new user (no .local .config .kde* .pulse) are, well, lets be nice about: suboptimal for KDE SC 4.7, 4.6 was better. ( e.g Virtual Desktops [more than one, please], Activities [urgs, wait for 4.7.1 at least, before put that on default.] ) Even 11.2 was more "smooth" out of the box (DVD) than 11.4 was, we'll have to be carefull on what we present as defaults, because what will the press and the users experience the most: a clean install. Thus the defaults will make the most difference in just how 12.1 Milestones and final will be view from the outside. To think about in KDE: - Plasma defaults for a new user, (as said, 4.7.0 now is not good) - App. defaults for actions (insert of: CD, DVD, USB-Stick, USB-Camera, USB-Printer, ...) - App. defaults for file types (PDF, Text, Calc, Presentation, Images, Audio, Video) - How to handle the mess that is akonadi / nepomuk / vituoso / DB-Backend (mysql / posress / sqlite) ATM 12.1 M3 does NOT give openSUSE a image as good as it could be. How will the next Milestone be ? Better, smoother, I hope. Cheers, Yamaban.