Is there one? I do a lot of installation testing on different hardware. Because it's just testing, I don't configure any users in most cases. That means for me, there is only root. Consequently, there's no need for a login manager, so unless it's the login manager I'm testing, startx needs to work. Plus, when repeatedly restarting X, retyping a password gets to be a pain. As many know, manual configuration of X when automagic fails to get the job done acceptably can be a big pain. Since KDE3 was dropped from official support, some things have apparently changed that fail to consider KDE3 still exists. So, I'm finding it often the case that startx fails to get me into a KDE desktop session, even though /usr/bin/Xorg is 4711. So far, I've been unable to figure out why it works on some and not on others. I suspect it's interplay between settings in ~/.dmrc, /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager, and /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager, such as DEFAULT_WM and DISPLAYMANAGER in the latter two, but am having a hard time understanding which and when any of the following are necessary or appropriate: null kdm kdm3 kdm4 kde kde3 kde4 startkde startkde3 startkde4 kde-plasma I almost never install any DTE other than KDE, much less actually use anything else. So, which settings do I need to make where in order to ensure startx always starts some kind of KDE session, preferably KDE3 if both 3 & 4 are installed? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org