Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-kde (297 mails)

[Anton Aylward <opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

todd rme said the following on 07/04/2011 07:44 AM:
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Anton Aylward
> <opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Roger Luedecke said the following on 07/03/2011 09:22 PM:
> > > however alot of people seem thoroughly hung up on Firefox.
> >
> > For me, the issue isn't the rendering engine that is Firefox, but the
> > addins.
> >
> > * Addblock
> > * Noscript
> > * Web Developer
> > * Dictionary/Spellchecker
> >
> > There are also niceties
> >
> > * Password tools, not just management but ones to make
> >  them visible on screen
> > * Download management
> > * "Its all text" which allows me to edit forms using VIM
> >  or Kate
> >
> > There are others, and I suspect that beyond the first two I mentioned
> > tastes will change, but the real power of Firefox, the real advantage
> > for most user, like in this library of add-ins.  Rendering speed may be
> > a good thing for technical people or for magazines to write about, but
> > its these 'luxuries' that sell.
>
> Rekonq has built-in adblock, so I would say it is better than firefox
> in that regard.  Spell checking is needed at the QtWebkit level, and
> is currently being implemented (I don't know when it is expected,
> though).  Manually loading plugins (like flash) is built into rekonq,
> but not the manual javascript blocking features from noscript.

I think you are missing my point.
OK, so rekonq has addblock built in.  WYSIWYG and that's it.
With Firefox I can load _other_ blockers and ADDITIONAL plugins.

Manually loading?  I see the manually/automatic load from web page, but
visiting a mozilla page such as
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/web-developer/
"nothing happens".
I see what the help has to say about flash, but there are other plugins
beside flash.


> One huge disadvantage of rekonq I forgot to mention, which may very
> well be a deal-breaker, is that it cannot handle multiple logins for a
> single web page.  

Yes that would be a deal breaker.
But I can't imagine why I would be using KWallet.
Other password stores - e.g. KeePass - are more flexible, and for many
of us the portability across systems is more important.  I run openSuse
on my laptop, am forced to use Windows at work, have mandriva and redhat
machines under my desk.  There's an android phone or tablet in the near
future.

See also http://keepass.info/plugins.html

I'm not asking the KDE developers to throw away KWallet.  Not everyone
will want to adopt external tools.  But please don't turn inwards and do
the ivory tower thing, hard-code KWallet into the KDE tools.  That seems
to be the approach that a lot of the Desktop managers are taking,
creating "islands of excellence" that ignore other features.

We've been down this road with akonadi/nepomuk.  I like KDE in general
but the whole point of Linux is freedom to mix and match.  I think
Thunderbird is better that Kmail.  YMMV.  But if I use Thunderbird then
forcing me to use akonadi/nepomuk isn't nice.  No better than Microsoft
forcing Outlook Express on my if I want to use Thunderbird on Windows.
Ditto IE when I want to use Firefox or Opera.  I could go on about the
way that even simple programs like 'ls' require the LDAP.
For example, try removing  libldap.  LDAP is used or userID <=> username
mapping and groups and password), which on a standalone system is
configured via /etc/nsswitch to use the /etc/passwd file.  But rather
than have that as a plugin, the way PAM works for example, its hard coded.

There are too many things that are hard coded in when they should be
dynamically loaded.

Yes, rekonq can dynamically load plug-in like flash; the technology is
there.  But there seems to be a failure of imagination about using it.
-- 
"Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."
   -- Napoleon
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