Am Mittwoch, 7. April 2010 19:32:02 schrieb Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas:
On Wednesday, April 7, 2010, Karsten König wrote:
Yeah voting isn't a good idea as there aren't many people around judging every piece of software. But the proponent should give reasons why to move it to :Community in case there is no proper release.
If you are the maintainer of the software and can call a software reasonably stable why not make a release out of it and move that into the
:Community repo? That needs no discussion and is what that repository is
for.
What is a proper release for you? all my applications at home:plcl:kde4 have been released and publicly announced. There are freshmeat.net and opendesktop.org pages for them.
If you give it a release number without alpha/beta etc it's a proper stable release for me =) No svn / git checkouts... Sure you have a roadmap and ideas for future releases, but you don't do stable release with a big rebuild or a new feature half done.
I have the intention of adding the packages to the Community repo, yes. Unless somebody provides arguments against that.
This is not about keeping packages from Community but about keeping unstable packages from Community and place them in Playground, as the maintainer/developer you are in the best position to judge the state of your releases.
Btw. I also think we had the kde3 versions of these in opensuse, so your midi apps should actually migrate into Factory
There was a kmid package for kde3 in openSUSE, when kmid was part of kdemultimedia. Now, it belongs to extragear/multimedia. I agree with the migration into Factory, but it is beyond me. It can only be done by a small number of people with permissions in the project KDE4:Factory:Desktop.
Still you can get the stone rolling by submit requesting it to :Factory, one path would be through KDE4:Factory:Desktop as devel project or making your own devel project, see this article http://en.opensuse.org/Submit_Request for a few hints on the subject, there is also another specificly dedicated to Factory submits but I can't find it now. Still migrating through KDE4:Factory:Desktop would propably be the best way and the "few people in the obs list" are very responsive and also subscribed to this list, so write a mail or bring it up on next kde meeting, no one is able to track how good or important the things in :Community are.
The other applications have *never* been part of openSUSE. Some of them are available in other distros, though. KMidimon is available in Debian and Ubuntu since a long time ago, when it was a KDE3 application. Also for Fedora, distributed by Planet CCRMA at home. VMPK is available in Debian/Ubuntu, and also in Mandriva Cooker.
The OBS lead to an explosion in available packages that aren't bundled with the main distribution (whatever openSUSE:Factory ships) which is a nice direction as it makes it easier to get and distribute non SuSE shipped stuff. Still this lead to a huge amount of repositories, sometimes incompatible or shipping the same packages etc. Touching your reply to Martin, there currently are no real "what belongs into the main repository" guidelines for openSUSE =( there was the :Contrib repository as an effort to Community managed and "shipped" packages, the state isn't clear anymore though, as basicly everybody can submit to the main repository, if it gets accepted is another question though. Still the path to migrate stuff into main became much easier. Ubuntu has the advantage of Universe which basicly announces that "everything" is in there, the debian guys do awesome work for it. Still nothing like this exists for openSUSE =/ Mandriva and Fedora sit in the same boat as openSUSE here, the non included packages are spread over alot of repositories, OBS made the situation better that it's a single caterer to most free software.
So, there may be a main mission of the KDE4:Community repository for me: providing Qt/KDE applications that can be potentially valuable for some users, and are neglected in the official openSUSE repositories. This goal requires that KDE4:Community is offered in Yast.
+1 to that, that's what it is for and Martin isn't fighting that =)
Maybe the packages aren't well known, so there is a secondary mission: advertise those programs among the public and people that has power to push them into the official repositories.
The process to a "better" spot should be started by the maintainer, openSUSE users barely make public demands, if they find something not satisfying they live with it, go somewhere else or complain loudly on decisions announced and discussed long time ago =( So push your midi software forward, there is nothing comparable for Qt so it's a blank spot waiting to be filled =)
Regards, Pedro
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