Hi all, it seems that every discussion about the state of KDE4.x in opensuse always ends in a flamewar. And this is not the fault only of some people which are complaining about the stability of KDE 4.x, i have to blame also the other site. Always in the last time if someone sends a question or a complain or a call for help regarding KDE 4.x in any of the opensuse-lists, he probably will get the first five answers from some fanboys with no helpful message, just with a qestion how he could dare to ask somewhat. So my "problem" isnt that KDE4 isnt ready yet in some parts, which are less or more important for some users, i have a problem how the whole KDE4-thing is handled in this lists and also from the officials by novell or opensuse or kde. It is a fact, that at least novell and i think also the kde-officials had stated, that KDE4.1.x is stable, and a fully featured replacement for KDE3.5.x. Just to kick KDE 3.x out of the list of standard-desktop-environments is such a statement. I believe that these statements are just marketing-phrases, but its also a fact, that some people still are paying for opensuse-boxes, and they have these phrases printed at their boxes. On the other side its true, that KDE4 is developing in a fast way and maybe it will sometimes in a less or more near future a fully featured replacement for KDE3.5.x, but thats not now. And it doesnt help, when people with knowledge are only pissed off by some users which are ranting, but it doesnt help also when these people with knowledge just are flaming back, even to "friendly" users, even to postings which are sent to this and other lists with the wish for a serious, fair and sensefull discussion in mind. regards, Jens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org