Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-kde (199 mails)

[Matthias Fehring <buschmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday 18 March 2009 16:29:19 Oliver wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2009 schrieb Lubos Lunak:
> >  You cannot get what you want for the money you paid, you can only get
> > what you paid for. Since I doubt you actually paid for something that'd
> > make you eligible for this kind of demands, since those come with better
> > support channels than a mailing list, I assume you paid for the openSUSE
> > box. In other words, if I'm not mistaken, you paid roughly for the box,
> > media, printed manuals and a limited installation support. If you didn't
> > get any of that, request a refund from wherever you got the product. If
> > you want more, pay for it, do it yourself or wait calmly until somebody
> > does it for you for free. That is how free software works.
>
> Maybe you didn't read all I wrote. After 15 years with any of SuSE-Linux-
> Distributions they had, I think I know what I'm doing, where to get help
> from and how to help myself or others. KDE4 was offered as stable, doesn't
> it? Didn't everybody told you then, never pronounce a KDE x.0-System other
> than beta?
>
> Like your footer shows us, it seems like you will get paid for your work,
> don't you? And with you, there are enough other developer whome get paid
> for developing KDE, so please. You will have a roadmap for developing and
> sometimes, the roadmap need a rebuild.

Have you paid him for his job??? But this whole money discussion is nothing 
that gets things forward...

> > > Outside of your little world are enough user who give you the honor to
> > > use the software you produce. So open your ears and hear what they
> > > say. Without the user outside there is no need for developers!
> >
> >  You are seriously confused about the state of things.
>
> If you get money for producing something just for playing around, you are
> right.
>
> No. I think some of you are too far away from the base. It is one thing,
> that KDE4 is not stable enough to be as this pronounced from Novell. But it
> is really another thing to blame on user to be quit or help, if they have
> some problems with the software.
>
> If software is buggy enough that systems crashes too much or the needful
> things like kmail, pim or whatever are not stable enough or useable, what
> do you think user will do? You can ask Novell how this works because they
> have experiences with that.
>
> The fault was, to start with the actual SuSE-Distro with KDE4. Since that,
> you have to use the next and the next and the next KDE-Update in hope, it
> will be better but it doesn't. There is no need for a second desktop-system
> which just will be nice-klicked-very-colored-funny-stuff and to forget to
> make the produceable and needful utilities stable.
>
> Hear what the user told you, work with them and accept, that not everybody
> can help you. And stop developing new features before the system isn't
> stable enough.
>
> Not every bug can be a feature.
>
> So. This is not a thread someone needs. 

I use KDE 4 since version 4.0 on openSUSE and since then it works very well 
for me. It crashed not more often than KDE 3 (means: very, very seldom), which 
I have never missed since using KDE 4. Currently KDE 4.2.1 runs on my main 
machine and I a m really more than only pleased with it. Sure, in the early 
days one has to use some KDE 3 apps on KDE 4, like kdepim, amarok and digikam, 
bus that time is gone, but where was the problem with that? Many people are 
using Firefox because they like it, which is also not a native KDE app.

Nobody keeps you away from using KDE 3 on openSUSE. 11.1 will be supported 
until the End of 2010...

KDE 4 is really more than only "nice-klicked-very-colored-funny-stuff". I work 
every day with KDE 4 and I know other people, which do it also. And they all 
are pleased.

Sometimes this ever recurring discussion reminds on all the windows crowd, 
that blame all the time about Vista, which they have downloaded via 
BitTorrent.

KDE 4 is the future that has already started. And this future IS bright. So, 
do not waste your and the time of others for such discussions...

I waste my time also with this, you think? No, I do not. ;-)

Best greetings
  Buschmann

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