Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-kde (199 mails)

[Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@xxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday 18 of March 2009 13:30:49 Daniel Mader wrote:
> We have a core problem in openSUSE that the build process for KDE 4 is to
> flaky. Features which work today are broken after the next factory build.
> So yes: I think this is NOT a KDE upstream problem, but our own fault of
> packaging. Factory is not usable for real, satisfactory work. Factory
> development should not break things which perfectly work, imo.

 It may be your opinion, but the reality disagrees (and, in case you haven't 
noticed, this reality is far from perfect). The only way not to break things 
is not to touch them.

> Many of the above things will see a solution, I am sure. But I really find
> they should have had more importance in the first place. Most of the above
> stuff should "just work" (tm), from the point of most users. It does not,
> and will not, not even in 4.3... Rotating plasmoids is not a replacement
> for the lack of core office productivity features.

 You again fail to understand how things work. A rotating plasmoid is a 
trivial work, since most of it is provided by the underlying technology in Qt. 
Also, a Plasma developer cannot magically become a soundsystem or printing 
developer overnight, or noticeably improve performance of KDE4 in the same 
time creating a rotating plasmoid took.

> Bashing those "poisonous users" may seem justified from the
> perspective of a volunteer developper from amarok and the like but it
> doesn't make the problem go away.

 Frankly, it actually does, in a way. It saves a huge amount of time to just 
ignore complains that are all the same the whole time and that won't change 
anything. Those developers do it in their spare time for fun, they have more 
than enough work, and hearing for over a year that 'XYZ sucks and you too!' 
does neither make it fun nor it helps with the work.

 The same way I will not spend any more time on this thread. It just wastes 
time and doesn't say anything new that hasn't been already discussed over and 
over.

> KDE 4 is currently not an option for serious desktop usage. Period. What
> scares me, though, is the fact that it will still not be an option in 4.3
> and thus 11.2.

 That is what you say and there are others who disagree. Nobody is however 
forcing you and I'm sure you can figure out all the options you have to solve 
your problem.

> We *need* better packaging,

 I remember times when saying 'we need' meant 'and I will work on that', but I 
assume those times have long gone, haven't they? Or what exactly entitles you 
to say this and not just sound like somebody who complains and makes requests 
about something they get for free?

> and we need stable, frequent and reliable KDE4 snapshots

 Reality check says this is a contradiction.

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