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Re: [opensuse-kde] kde3 in factory
- From: jfweber@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:11:58 -0500
- Message-id: <200902140111.58799.jfweber@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
On February Saturday 14 2009 12:01:31 am Felix Miata wrote:
You are correct there, it really is a greater shock than if one had never
seen a Linux (tm) desktop at all.
Worse, It seems to be a bit schizoid in it's approach. It's going to be a
desktop... no it's going to be essentially a folder ( container) for ?? I
have no idea. I'm not certain the folks doing the "makeover" know quite
where they want to take it. If you look at the K-menu in either or both Kde
3.5 and 4.x they are radically different. Much more different than any
prior 'new' version of kde that I can remember.
It's really nice if you have great pictures for the background. ( I do) but
it's disconcerting otherwise. There is a lot of stuff on the panel I wouldn't
have chosen, but I've not used it much ( KDE4.2- ish) I guess it's like
anything else that has been thru a lot of change. Those of you who have been
able to work w/ it since the beginning see great strides that have been
taken.
The rest of us wonder w'appened ?
Where did my stuff go.. why can't I get it to do foo ? ( Probably because they
might not have a widget for that yet.) or , as w/ the weather app, it doesn't
seem to have the functionality that the Kweather application has in kde3.5
When I look at the icon on the panel, it shows only a number I am assuming
that is the current temp. But there really is no way to know. And since I'm
in a location where a weather warning might mean the difference between life
or death, quite literally, I feel a bit slighted.
I know there is no slight intended it's just the whole *new* system is such a
departure from the versions we've been working w/.
I don't see one 'lock' file but most of the individual apps , or perhaps only
the ones which might carry over data from one version of Kde to another has
them. If you go to your .kde4 ( dot kde4) you will see things like email and
the address book and these have some variant of a lock file. I think that
usage is so the program knows it has some data it might not expect. ( or
not.. it's late -ish h )
There is not likely to be a lock file since there have been various parts of
the KDE3.5 DT which are *updated* w/ version 4.x files. the Kdebase files
seem to be now merged. I'm sure there are others.
<snip>
From one who began gui computing w/ Os/2 and was ( still am) desolate to see
it go. Of course the shoe salesman who promised us that he would keep OS/2
going ( and who promptly dumped it as fast as he could do.) Silly man didn't
understand IBM's reasoning when he took over.. think he lasted maybe a year
possibly 2. I think that dumping OS/2 was the 1st time IBM had dropped a
system for whom they still had ( commercial) customers .
Obviously those of us who had small businesses were unlikely to ever spend
enough green to make it practical, there were a huge number of banks, a
couple of Wall Street firms, and several hospitals and other big money
businesses .
--
j
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On 2009/02/13 12:53 (GMT+0100) Stephan Kulow composed:
I went ahead and dropped most of kde3 from factory. The runtime needed is
still there, but the desktop won't be functional anymore and as such
there won't be any patterns offered from factory installs.
We should discuss if we want to keep it all in KDE:KDE3 and merge
KDE:MIsc and KDE:Community in. Or we could continue the push to Contrib
discussion, but first we need people to take care of KDE3.
I'm not ready to drop KDE3 from any of my 7 existing Factory installs.
Changing from KDE3 to KDE4 is like changing from Mac OS X to Windows Vista.
I won't have time for that any time before KDE 4.3 is final.
You are correct there, it really is a greater shock than if one had never
seen a Linux (tm) desktop at all.
Worse, It seems to be a bit schizoid in it's approach. It's going to be a
desktop... no it's going to be essentially a folder ( container) for ?? I
have no idea. I'm not certain the folks doing the "makeover" know quite
where they want to take it. If you look at the K-menu in either or both Kde
3.5 and 4.x they are radically different. Much more different than any
prior 'new' version of kde that I can remember.
It's really nice if you have great pictures for the background. ( I do) but
it's disconcerting otherwise. There is a lot of stuff on the panel I wouldn't
have chosen, but I've not used it much ( KDE4.2- ish) I guess it's like
anything else that has been thru a lot of change. Those of you who have been
able to work w/ it since the beginning see great strides that have been
taken.
The rest of us wonder w'appened ?
Where did my stuff go.. why can't I get it to do foo ? ( Probably because they
might not have a widget for that yet.) or , as w/ the weather app, it doesn't
seem to have the functionality that the Kweather application has in kde3.5
When I look at the icon on the panel, it shows only a number I am assuming
that is the current temp. But there really is no way to know. And since I'm
in a location where a weather warning might mean the difference between life
or death, quite literally, I feel a bit slighted.
I know there is no slight intended it's just the whole *new* system is such a
departure from the versions we've been working w/.
Is there some way to lock KDE3 in place while allowing zypper up or zypper
dup to update the rest of Factory? I looked through /etc/zypp/zypp.conf,
and nothing about locking installed rpms jumped at me. There's a reference
to a locks file, but none exists, nor is there any indication what it might
be for. --
I don't see one 'lock' file but most of the individual apps , or perhaps only
the ones which might carry over data from one version of Kde to another has
them. If you go to your .kde4 ( dot kde4) you will see things like email and
the address book and these have some variant of a lock file. I think that
usage is so the program knows it has some data it might not expect. ( or
not.. it's late -ish h )
There is not likely to be a lock file since there have been various parts of
the KDE3.5 DT which are *updated* w/ version 4.x files. the Kdebase files
seem to be now merged. I'm sure there are others.
<snip>
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
From one who began gui computing w/ Os/2 and was ( still am) desolate to see
it go. Of course the shoe salesman who promised us that he would keep OS/2
going ( and who promptly dumped it as fast as he could do.) Silly man didn't
understand IBM's reasoning when he took over.. think he lasted maybe a year
possibly 2. I think that dumping OS/2 was the 1st time IBM had dropped a
system for whom they still had ( commercial) customers .
Obviously those of us who had small businesses were unlikely to ever spend
enough green to make it practical, there were a huge number of banks, a
couple of Wall Street firms, and several hospitals and other big money
businesses .
--
j
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