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[opensuse-kde] Yet another whiny kde4 e-mail
- From: Martin Schlander <martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:43:38 +0200
- Message-id: <200808041343.39364.martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx>
I've been using KDE 4.1 (factory:desktop) on my "production" machine since
Tuesday. After a rough few days I'm now starting to have it set up pretty
nicely and figuring out how to work around problems, so I can now use it
without troubleshooting or banging my head against the desk in frustration
most of the time.
I'm too lazy to file bugreports for all the problems at this point, but I
thought I'd mention some of the problems I've been having here quick, some are
small and some are big, maybe it can be of some use to someone. If nothing
else it might give an impression of why so many people hate KDE4.
* "Zombie" processes:
I'm having a lot of problems with processes that keep running in the
background when I quit the apps. Especially Konq - I had to periodically go to
ksysguard and kill several konq processes - and dozens of kio_http processes,
until I finally made Opera the default browser.
I also have similar problems with KMail and Kopete.
If I quit Kate with Alt+F4 an ever increasing number of kate processes will
keep running - but if I quit with Ctrl+Q the processes will die as they
should.
* Rsibreak-issues
It wouldn't autostart for me - not by session management and not by adding it
as a desktop-file in the Autostart systemsettings module - manually creating a
desktop-file in ~/.kde4/Autostart worked though.
The rsibreak config dialog (right click systray icon -> configure rsibreak) is
completely messed up. .. well.. I guess it's still beta.
* Launchfeedback
I tried to disable taskbar launchfeedback in systemsettings -> desktop ->
launchfeedback. No matter how many times I uncheck the checkbox, it's checked
again when I go back.
* Krunner + kcontrol strangeness
I disable a lot of the runners hoping it would make krunner a little less slow
and laggy when typing. I found that for some reason the application runner
doesn't think kcontrol exists, I need to enable the bash runner to be able to
start kcontrol from krunner. Other kde3 apps don't have this problem.
* Plasmoid get hot new stuff thingy doesn't work
I selected a few plasmoids from online, they seemed to be downloaded and it
says they're installed, but I can't figure out how to add them to the desktop.
* Multimedia keys don't work
I have a Logitech Office Comfort keyboard, the multiemedia keys worked out of
the box in 11.0/KDE3.5, they don't work with KDE4.1
* Camera problems
I have a Canon Ixus 70. In KDE3 I would get a popup asking me what to do when
it's connected - in KDE4 I got nothing - nothing in recently plugged devices
nor in Dolphin sidebar. The systemsettings digital camera module seems to
identify the camera correctly, but I get error messages no matter what I click
in that module.
Still haven't figured out how to access my camera, other than using kde3 konq.
* KSnapshot doesn't suggest default filename/filetype
KDE3 KSnapshot would suggest something like "snapshot.png", in KDE4 you have
to do everything manually. Very minor issue, but it's symptomatic of how
everything is just crude and unpolished in KDE4.1.
* Konq profile applet doesn't like Danish characters (æ, ø, å).
At least I think so. When I launch konq profiles with Danish characters in the
name I get an empty session, while I can load these profiles fine from within
konq. Changing their names makes them launchable from the applet.
* Kopete issues
At one point I got a Jabber account called EMPTY@. I have no idea where that
came from and no matter how many times I deleted it in the gui it would keep
reappearing, I had to remove it manually from the config file to get rid of
it. (this might be related to kopete proces keeping running in the background
when I thought I had quit the app though).
The history plugin doesn't work well with metacontacts. For example, if I open
a jabber chat with some guy, I won't see the history of msn chat I had with
the guy the day before, even though the different accounts are grouped
together as one "metacontact".
* There's no kde4 super user file manager (at least not according to kickoff)
.. well.. kde3 konq is probably the best filemanager on the system anyway ;-)
* I couldn't extract tar.bz2 with Ark
Maybe I'm too stupid, or maybe it just doesn't work.
This is just a small selection of the problems I've had, I've left out all the
problems that seemed to be caused by re-using kde3 settings and the issues
that are so weird, that it's too difficult to describe or that you wouldn't
believe me if I told you.
I think I'll stick with KDE4.x from now on, but only cuz I'm a fanboy. My
general impression is that too many things either don't work or are just
painful to use. I'll have to keep recommending KDE3 to non-fanboyz for some
time I'm afraid. But I do think there's hope that 4.1 can become enjoyable in
time for 11.1 - but there sure is still a lot of work to be done.
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Tuesday. After a rough few days I'm now starting to have it set up pretty
nicely and figuring out how to work around problems, so I can now use it
without troubleshooting or banging my head against the desk in frustration
most of the time.
I'm too lazy to file bugreports for all the problems at this point, but I
thought I'd mention some of the problems I've been having here quick, some are
small and some are big, maybe it can be of some use to someone. If nothing
else it might give an impression of why so many people hate KDE4.
* "Zombie" processes:
I'm having a lot of problems with processes that keep running in the
background when I quit the apps. Especially Konq - I had to periodically go to
ksysguard and kill several konq processes - and dozens of kio_http processes,
until I finally made Opera the default browser.
I also have similar problems with KMail and Kopete.
If I quit Kate with Alt+F4 an ever increasing number of kate processes will
keep running - but if I quit with Ctrl+Q the processes will die as they
should.
* Rsibreak-issues
It wouldn't autostart for me - not by session management and not by adding it
as a desktop-file in the Autostart systemsettings module - manually creating a
desktop-file in ~/.kde4/Autostart worked though.
The rsibreak config dialog (right click systray icon -> configure rsibreak) is
completely messed up. .. well.. I guess it's still beta.
* Launchfeedback
I tried to disable taskbar launchfeedback in systemsettings -> desktop ->
launchfeedback. No matter how many times I uncheck the checkbox, it's checked
again when I go back.
* Krunner + kcontrol strangeness
I disable a lot of the runners hoping it would make krunner a little less slow
and laggy when typing. I found that for some reason the application runner
doesn't think kcontrol exists, I need to enable the bash runner to be able to
start kcontrol from krunner. Other kde3 apps don't have this problem.
* Plasmoid get hot new stuff thingy doesn't work
I selected a few plasmoids from online, they seemed to be downloaded and it
says they're installed, but I can't figure out how to add them to the desktop.
* Multimedia keys don't work
I have a Logitech Office Comfort keyboard, the multiemedia keys worked out of
the box in 11.0/KDE3.5, they don't work with KDE4.1
* Camera problems
I have a Canon Ixus 70. In KDE3 I would get a popup asking me what to do when
it's connected - in KDE4 I got nothing - nothing in recently plugged devices
nor in Dolphin sidebar. The systemsettings digital camera module seems to
identify the camera correctly, but I get error messages no matter what I click
in that module.
Still haven't figured out how to access my camera, other than using kde3 konq.
* KSnapshot doesn't suggest default filename/filetype
KDE3 KSnapshot would suggest something like "snapshot.png", in KDE4 you have
to do everything manually. Very minor issue, but it's symptomatic of how
everything is just crude and unpolished in KDE4.1.
* Konq profile applet doesn't like Danish characters (æ, ø, å).
At least I think so. When I launch konq profiles with Danish characters in the
name I get an empty session, while I can load these profiles fine from within
konq. Changing their names makes them launchable from the applet.
* Kopete issues
At one point I got a Jabber account called EMPTY@. I have no idea where that
came from and no matter how many times I deleted it in the gui it would keep
reappearing, I had to remove it manually from the config file to get rid of
it. (this might be related to kopete proces keeping running in the background
when I thought I had quit the app though).
The history plugin doesn't work well with metacontacts. For example, if I open
a jabber chat with some guy, I won't see the history of msn chat I had with
the guy the day before, even though the different accounts are grouped
together as one "metacontact".
* There's no kde4 super user file manager (at least not according to kickoff)
.. well.. kde3 konq is probably the best filemanager on the system anyway ;-)
* I couldn't extract tar.bz2 with Ark
Maybe I'm too stupid, or maybe it just doesn't work.
This is just a small selection of the problems I've had, I've left out all the
problems that seemed to be caused by re-using kde3 settings and the issues
that are so weird, that it's too difficult to describe or that you wouldn't
believe me if I told you.
I think I'll stick with KDE4.x from now on, but only cuz I'm a fanboy. My
general impression is that too many things either don't work or are just
painful to use. I'll have to keep recommending KDE3 to non-fanboyz for some
time I'm afraid. But I do think there's hope that 4.1 can become enjoyable in
time for 11.1 - but there sure is still a lot of work to be done.
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