Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-gnome (61 mails)

[Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 11:07 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> Hi Rodrigo,
>
> > the difference between ubuntu and fedora is that they use PA for the
> > whole distro, while we use it only for GNOME, unfortunately. This is the
> > cause of most of the problems (not all of course), that users install
> > alsa/oss/flash-based apps which, by default, are not configured to use
> > PA because they are expected to be used in both KDE and GNOME.
> >
> > Also, the other problems related to PA, most of them are upstream, and
> > are getting fixes upstream, so those problems have shown up also on
> > Fedora and Ubuntu.
>
> Apart from the fact that PA was an example to give an idea, I think that
> you pointed out exactly the problem. In my opinion, if PA was not
> implemented for the whole distribution, maybe (I guess) someone did not
> consider it ready, or there was not enough time to do it.
well, it was mainly because KDE4 had the new phonon thing, and they
didn't see a reason to use PA. For 11.1 this should be fixed I hope.

>  As a
> consequence, why not waiting for the next release to introduce it,
> giving upstream developers the time to fix the major bugs and in the
> same time planning a clean and user-transparent integration in the whole
> distribution? From a user point of view, I'm sure, there was no urge to
> have PulseAudio.
well, PA was being accepted into GNOME for 2.22, to replace esound, so
we just helped a bit upstream to move (along with Fedora guys)

> > I don't think we work that way. When we release software, it has been
> > tested. Of course, problems show up (like with PA) when lots of users
> > (much more than testers) start using the software. Maybe we should be
> > quicker in fixing the issues, you might be right there, but please,
> > don't pretend to say we just release buggy software and hope users won't
> > find problems. Apart from our testing, upstream GNOME gets a lot of
> > testing before being released.
>
> Upstream GNOME gets a lot of testing: my point does not discuss that, as
> I referred to the openSUSE implementation of GNOME, which gained the
> name of not being good over time, not just in 11.0, where we had very
> important improvements, recognised by almost everyone without a bias.
>
> Of course I'm not referring to small annoying bugs, but to the very
> evident ones, that clearly show no one (I include the community, of
> course) paid attention.
you're right here partly, because indeed, we didn't test PA in all the
possible scenarios.
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Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@xxxxxxxxxx>

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