Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-gnome (128 mails)

[Bjørn Lie <bjorn.lie@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 14:02 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: 
> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:21 +0200, Bjørn Lie wrote:
>
> > There is some of us that think the whole pulseaudio is a huge backstep,
> > and prefer just to remove it.
> > Leaving pulseaudio as default is fine as long as removing/disabling it
> > is not a problem. Pretty please do not put us in the mess ubuntu is
> > finding themselves in right now.
>
> I'm curious as to what the complaints about Pulseaudio are. Are people
> finding underlying problems in its architecture, is it buggy, or is it
> just poorly integrated in Ubuntu?

I if play a mp3 and change active window, say from firefox to evo, the
audio will skip... Heck even the logon-sound from gnome skips when
logging on.
Using plain alsa I can abuse my system from here till next easter and
the music will not skip one beat. I don't even have to remove pulse,
just set everything to alsa in gnome-control-panel to alsa, instant
bliss.

I can only imagine how my I angry I would be if I tried to record
something, and looking at my keyboard would make the recording useless
since it would have a bunch of skips in it.

Why does the pulseaudio peeps think it's a good thing to take what now
is done in hardware, (I'm talking about proper soundcards here, not some
25 cents worth onboard-soundchip), meaning mixing, and putting it in
software? If I didn't care about audio, I wouldn't have dedicated
hardware for it.

Then there is the 5.1/7.1 audio thing, alsa == unmute the
backspeakers/sidespeakers, front/center and lfe are enabled by default
PA == edit obscure new config file + restart soundserver, yeah thats
progress....

I always set the volume for my different speakers at different volume,
aka center down for playing music (turn it up when I play movies with
5.1 audio) + I turn my LFE way down so my house does not sound like a
disco for the neighbors.
In PA, all the speakers return to a preset volume (better now, not back
to 100% as was the case before) and locked together again so I have to
unlock them before setting the volume.
If a laptop is turned on with the volume on max it's not a big problem,
my system turned on with volume set to max == little heart attack +
neighbors calling the police.

I'm sure there is more, but this will have to do for now.

Is PA buggy? No not really, it's all a feature.
Is it annoying as hell? You bet!


As for the ubuntu remark, yes there they made a bobo, lots of people
without sound at all, no sound for flash content, no pa volume meter++
installed by default, skype does not work (audio) sdl-games= no audio +
the same damn SKIPPING audio problems for a lot of people + more I'm
sure.
But what I was referring to was the fact that as far as I've seen from
posts, if one tries to apt-remove pulseaudio in ubuntu, it wants to
remove gnome-desktop, this might be fixed now, dunno and don't care :) 
I just don't want to end up in the situation that if I remove pa, I
loose my volume applet, because someone in their wisdom patched
volume-applet and pa-volume together. 

Search the ubuntu forum + bugzilla, Keywords pulseaudio and broken.

Bjørn 

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