Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-gnome (58 mails)

[Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@xxxxxx>]

Hi Christian,

> I think that Ricardo might well grant you that wish; nothing's carved in
> stone. But there certainly are nicer ways to ask.
>
> That is why I called you mail 'noise'.

my disappointment is due to the fact that these issues have been
discussed already immediately after the release of 10.3. A good proposal
(1st screenshot) was done, and partly realised, and it received good
comments by some users, also on the KDE side. Then suddenly it was
abandoned without asking anything to the users, and without a
motivation. Was it too hard to do? Too complex? No time? 

> AFAIK the GNOME-version of YaST is _not_ trying to mimick the look of
> the QT-YaST. It is emulating the look of the GNOME control-center.
> Seamless integration into the desktop environment describes the
> direction this is taking far better.

Maybe, but it's missing the point of YaST = providing a tool to manage
the whole distribution in an identical way, independently of where you
are.

> No, you are absolutely wrong. This underlines how important it is that
> you don't make a whole lotta noise without even _testing_.
>
> Had you tested the new package-selector you would have realized that the
> blue bar on the right side appears once you make changes (install etc.).
> When you click the 'accept'-button you won't be greeted with an endless
> list of changes to perform anymore because you have an overview of what
> you have done in the selector all the time. You also can revert any
> action at any time (see the buttons next to the changes?).

I tried it yesterday with the 1CD installation. My I didn't do that
before.
Indeed the installer improved a bit. But my doubts are still there. I
noticed the role of the sidebar, that's not the point.
The idea of being able to revert changes at any time is interesting, but
it's a bit against to the idea of having a sort of "druid"-like tool
(next -> next -> next). Moreover, this configuration misses a bit the
point of warning the user about changes with a separate dialog.

All my doubts about the functionalities are still there, except the lock
one. 

> You are completely missing the aim when you don't know the software you are 
> complaining about.

Not anymore :-)

> I'm a GNOME user. Personally, I don't see any sense in you complaining
> that the GNOME-version of the package-selector doesn't follow the same
> (bad IMHO) design-rules as the old QT-selector.

Again, that's the whole point of YaST. Having a different control center
look is not that bad because it's very intuitive anyway, but having
different modules, with different ways of doing things, as I said, makes
suppor/doc harder and confuses who uses both de's.

I didn't say the Qt version is perfect, and for what I know, a makeover
is work in progress. It would be a good thing if the people doing the Qt
and the GTK version talked a bit, not to reinvent the wheel and to make
them at least as similar as possible. It's also a way of reducing the
efforts.

With kind regards,
Alberto

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