Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-gnome (58 mails)

[Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@xxxxxx>]

> > That's not what I'm asking for. The installer should show the current
> > installed version, and offer the possibility to select the most recent
> > available, as the qt version does. This adds just two columns to the
> > view, not elements to the list.
>
> Hm? But it does! Select a package and you can select any version from
> the dropdown-menu. And yes, I have used the QT-Installer during my
> KDE-time but perhaps I don't remember / didn't use all its features.

I wrote _show_, not allow to install. The version number should be
readable without clicking anywhere.

Moreover, can it change architecture (aka install 32 bit stuff on 64 bit
systems)?

> > You don't absolutely get the point. When you write documentation for
> > SUSE you've to manage two different installer interfaces, which is, to
> > be honest, wrong in principle.
>
> Well, by that logic it is also wrong in principle to feature TWO desktop
> environments (or even more, as SUSE does)...

I don't agree. But the system management tools should be _identical_ on
all DE's. The idea at the base of Yast-gtk is to provide _look_
consistency, not a different interface, which adds just confusion.

> > Moreove you need to know two interfaces when you offer support. The
> > result is that everyone is suggesting to disable Yast-gtk and use
> > Yast-qt. Plain simple, and with a lot of good reasons.
>
> I don't agree in the slightest. Have you even TRIED the new
> GTK-package-selector yet, before making so much noise?

I didn't try directly, but the screen shots looks exhaustive for me, and
clearly show it doesn't match the corresponding Qt module, at least for
now. There are visualisation also errors like this:

http://www.decriptor.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/packageselector3.png

because I don't think the right blue vertical bar is wanted. Am I right?

Btw, it's not noise. I'm just summing the issues and frustrations we had
on opensuse 10.3 because of the hurry to push the new installer in the
distribution, and never really solved later.

About the suggestion to go back to the Qt one, I just meant that it was
the main suggestion given to users when they asked for support on IRC by
support people in the channel.
The main reasons of this are 

      * the impossibility to lock packages (solved in the new installer)
      * the difficulty to select different versions
      * the impossibility to change architecture (required to have a
        really working java/flash/firefox stack on 64 bit)
      * the difficulty to help people, because support people in IRC is
        mainly made of KDE users

All these aspects should be considered when changing things. 

Moreover, there's really no intention to complain without a point on my
side. I just want to see these issue solved, and I don't think the
proposed solution is moving in the right direction.

With kind regards,
Alberto

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