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[openFATE 312894] Desktop Greeter in openSUSE like Kaptan in Pardus
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- Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:57:12 +0100 (CET)
- Message-id: <feature-312894-10@keeper.suse.de>
Feature changed by: Tolga Aydemir (malachi54)
Feature #312894, revision 10
Title: Desktop Greeter in openSUSE like Kaptan in Pardus
openSUSE 12.1: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Drew Adams (druonysus)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Pardus is a great KDE distro and has one of the best "Desktop Greeter"
of any KDE distro I have ever used, Kaptan. "Kaptan is a wizard that
helps user to customize desktop enviroment after installing Pardus.
While Kaptan is giving some information about Pardus, it also sets
basic configures such as internet connection, wall paper and so on."
http://developer.pardus.org.tr/projects/kaptan/
Use Case:
Kaptan like greeter is useful for people that have no human assistance
to setup their just installed operating system. Help wizard that starts
right after first boot will check what is already automatically set up
and lead user trough steps necessary to configure the rest.
Business case (Partner benefit):
openSUSE.org: Kaptan facilitates these features from one start-up
desktop greeter wizard: Mouse configuration Theme and KDE Menu
selection Setting wall paper Asking user to search with Strigi Network
management Smolt for sending hardware information
Discussion:
#1: Yannis Anthymidis (evropi) (2011-10-16 23:47:46)
I disagree. Although it's definitely a nice program, the actions it
facilitates can easily be found even by a new user. This sort of setup
would be better off included in the installation program of openSUSE
(not sure what it's called, it's reminiscent of Tribe in Chakra
though). Furthermore, notifications pop up immediately upon
installation in case the network has problems, at least under Ethernet.
And again, under a wireless connection, the symbol to set up a
connection is self-explanatory to anyone who has ever used a computer
before or walked outside a coffee shop (these days that is!). Finally,
I find its use of the "Kaptan" (a cartoon ship captain) mascot off-
putting and far too immature for a project like openSUSE.
Not only is Kaptan inappopriate, but also needless and a delay for
users waiting to use the system much like the infamous 20-step
graphical Debian installation procedure.
#2: Steven Sroka (lin-unix) (2011-10-23 23:57:06) (reply to #1)
I agree with some of your points Yannis, but the current greeter is not
very good. A month ago (or so) some openSUSE developers were talking
about changing the greeter. So this FATE is right up their alley.
I think the Kaptan greeter (greatly simplified) would be most welcome.
#3: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-10-24 04:48:51)
Brilliant! This is exactly what I had in mind. We can of course alter
it to suit our needs and branding. Besides that it can be informative,
it can easily introduce people to the fun of KDE theming!
+ #4: Tolga Aydemir (malachi54) (2011-11-01 15:56:53)
+ i think this is a very nice idea. the kde "control center" is really
+ huge. And helping a total newbie in the beginning is nice. i do not
+ think it will take a lot of time. it should be simple. and a "pro user"
+ just had to click X for the one time and it is done... @yannis first i
+ read your comment and then the other comments.. and Steven wrote your
+ name... then i had to laugh xD i really hope your opinion has nothing
+ to do with the "greece/turkey history" xD
+ if i am wrong: sorry =)
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/312894
Feature #312894, revision 10
Title: Desktop Greeter in openSUSE like Kaptan in Pardus
openSUSE 12.1: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Drew Adams (druonysus)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Pardus is a great KDE distro and has one of the best "Desktop Greeter"
of any KDE distro I have ever used, Kaptan. "Kaptan is a wizard that
helps user to customize desktop enviroment after installing Pardus.
While Kaptan is giving some information about Pardus, it also sets
basic configures such as internet connection, wall paper and so on."
http://developer.pardus.org.tr/projects/kaptan/
Use Case:
Kaptan like greeter is useful for people that have no human assistance
to setup their just installed operating system. Help wizard that starts
right after first boot will check what is already automatically set up
and lead user trough steps necessary to configure the rest.
Business case (Partner benefit):
openSUSE.org: Kaptan facilitates these features from one start-up
desktop greeter wizard: Mouse configuration Theme and KDE Menu
selection Setting wall paper Asking user to search with Strigi Network
management Smolt for sending hardware information
Discussion:
#1: Yannis Anthymidis (evropi) (2011-10-16 23:47:46)
I disagree. Although it's definitely a nice program, the actions it
facilitates can easily be found even by a new user. This sort of setup
would be better off included in the installation program of openSUSE
(not sure what it's called, it's reminiscent of Tribe in Chakra
though). Furthermore, notifications pop up immediately upon
installation in case the network has problems, at least under Ethernet.
And again, under a wireless connection, the symbol to set up a
connection is self-explanatory to anyone who has ever used a computer
before or walked outside a coffee shop (these days that is!). Finally,
I find its use of the "Kaptan" (a cartoon ship captain) mascot off-
putting and far too immature for a project like openSUSE.
Not only is Kaptan inappopriate, but also needless and a delay for
users waiting to use the system much like the infamous 20-step
graphical Debian installation procedure.
#2: Steven Sroka (lin-unix) (2011-10-23 23:57:06) (reply to #1)
I agree with some of your points Yannis, but the current greeter is not
very good. A month ago (or so) some openSUSE developers were talking
about changing the greeter. So this FATE is right up their alley.
I think the Kaptan greeter (greatly simplified) would be most welcome.
#3: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-10-24 04:48:51)
Brilliant! This is exactly what I had in mind. We can of course alter
it to suit our needs and branding. Besides that it can be informative,
it can easily introduce people to the fun of KDE theming!
+ #4: Tolga Aydemir (malachi54) (2011-11-01 15:56:53)
+ i think this is a very nice idea. the kde "control center" is really
+ huge. And helping a total newbie in the beginning is nice. i do not
+ think it will take a lot of time. it should be simple. and a "pro user"
+ just had to click X for the one time and it is done... @yannis first i
+ read your comment and then the other comments.. and Steven wrote your
+ name... then i had to laugh xD i really hope your opinion has nothing
+ to do with the "greece/turkey history" xD
+ if i am wrong: sorry =)
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/312894
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