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[openFATE 310979] Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde
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- Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 04:53:04 +0100 (CET)
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Feature changed by: peter hoyer (ccrieo)
Feature #310979, revision 12
Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to
open files / folde
openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open
files / folders.
Current default is single-click to open files / folders
Business case (Partner benefit):
openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are
more comfortable with a double-click behaviour.
Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click.
Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action.
In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click
behaviour to double-click.
I prefer double-click
Discussion:
#1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51)
"In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I
prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign--
and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school
double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3.
x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me
less than a minute to get used to the new system.
#2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41)
Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI
symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click
implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost
(though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some
users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly)
where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to
the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more
sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an
inferior concept.
#3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02)
Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't
take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this
a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot)
earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set
the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people
to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get
accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away
for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double
click behavior ;-) ).
#4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54)
I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try
using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of
"Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when
installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of
what it does.
Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user
logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in
KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers.
#5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4)
> But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows
Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be
good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click
is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it
prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If
the double click option would be offered many people will just select,
and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click
is!
The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main
menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or
whatever the path is).
#8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to
#4)
>Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged
into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4,
although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers.
I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It
would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available
(possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are),
and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them.
#6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00)
Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent
RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For
the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click
should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as
possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is
so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle
to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an
unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative
perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click
and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can
better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of
the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the
opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem
like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is
concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the
trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal.
I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little
things.
#7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6)
If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem
for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click.
If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is
just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to
prevent problems in the future!
+ #9: peter hoyer (ccrieo) (2010-12-24 04:52:58)
+ Be different from others can be chance. If you voted for a new system,
+ you should be made aware by others of the advantage of a good
+ innovation. Opensuse have the instruments in form of this feature list
+ and mailing lists, where you can ask for adoption. In other systems you
+ can change the behaviour of the mouse so you can do in the personal
+ settings of kde. But do not overload the running system with features
+ which are not helpful profiling the advantages of kde and bring them to
+ new users. At the end it depends on the user himself, but he/she should
+ be in the beginning open and innovative for new features of kde like a
+ good continuing dialogue. If everything is the same like other
+ desktops, why should I change the desktop and install it on my system.
+ Helpful would be an icon of the personal settings on the desktop or on
+ another place, so you get directed to this point of settings.
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/310979
Feature #310979, revision 12
Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to
open files / folde
openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m)
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open
files / folders.
Current default is single-click to open files / folders
Business case (Partner benefit):
openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are
more comfortable with a double-click behaviour.
Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click.
Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action.
In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click
behaviour to double-click.
I prefer double-click
Discussion:
#1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51)
"In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I
prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign--
and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school
double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3.
x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me
less than a minute to get used to the new system.
#2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41)
Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI
symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click
implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost
(though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some
users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly)
where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to
the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more
sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an
inferior concept.
#3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02)
Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't
take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this
a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot)
earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set
the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people
to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get
accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away
for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double
click behavior ;-) ).
#4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54)
I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try
using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of
"Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when
installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of
what it does.
Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user
logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in
KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers.
#5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4)
> But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows
Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be
good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click
is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it
prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If
the double click option would be offered many people will just select,
and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click
is!
The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main
menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or
whatever the path is).
#8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to
#4)
>Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged
into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4,
although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers.
I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It
would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available
(possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are),
and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them.
#6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00)
Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent
RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For
the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click
should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as
possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is
so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle
to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an
unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative
perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click
and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can
better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of
the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the
opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem
like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is
concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the
trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal.
I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little
things.
#7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6)
If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem
for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click.
If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is
just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to
prevent problems in the future!
+ #9: peter hoyer (ccrieo) (2010-12-24 04:52:58)
+ Be different from others can be chance. If you voted for a new system,
+ you should be made aware by others of the advantage of a good
+ innovation. Opensuse have the instruments in form of this feature list
+ and mailing lists, where you can ask for adoption. In other systems you
+ can change the behaviour of the mouse so you can do in the personal
+ settings of kde. But do not overload the running system with features
+ which are not helpful profiling the advantages of kde and bring them to
+ new users. At the end it depends on the user himself, but he/she should
+ be in the beginning open and innovative for new features of kde like a
+ good continuing dialogue. If everything is the same like other
+ desktops, why should I change the desktop and install it on my system.
+ Helpful would be an icon of the personal settings on the desktop or on
+ another place, so you get directed to this point of settings.
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/310979
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