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[openFATE 310300] Create sensible start pages for browsers
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- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:00:37 +0200 (CEST)
- Message-id: <feature-310300-10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Feature changed by: Will Bickerstaff (wdbstaff)
Feature #310300, revision 10
Title: Create sensible start pages for browsers
openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Wolfgang Rosenauer (wrosenauer)
Description:
The current start page for browsers is http://www.opensuse.org/.
In my opinion the current content is not useful as a startpage which is
kept by people.
I would find a very small page with a possibility to search the net
useful like the following examples:
* http://www.google.de/firefox
* http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/Google/
* http://start.fedoraproject.org/
I don't want to promote Google but it's still the most popular search
engine and what people mainly use.
As part of this possible change I'd like to have an offline start page
which can be loaded (at least) in Firefox when the machine is offline.
Can people come up with something like that? Just an index.html with
some more files probably installed in a location where other browsers
can pick it up as well.
Discussion:
#1: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet) (2010-08-07 21:46:19)
The openSUSE page is part of our branding. Most browsers already search
with google by default anyway and users can change the startpage. I
don't think putting google as default is a good idea. What I do like
however is the idea to have an off-line page - but it should be
openSUSE branded. Anyone with some html skills could make it (even by
just dumping one of the current openSUSE webpages), who's up for that?
#2: Wolfgang Rosenauer (wrosenauer) (2010-08-07 21:51:30) (reply to
#1)
Note that I don't want to have a non-openSUSE branded page. But what I
propose is to have a minimalistic site probably with a internet search
option. I think even Google allows to have custom pages or embed the
google search into own sites.
#5: Michael Dunsavage (mikesd81) (2010-08-08 16:24:04) (reply to #1)
What's a possible outline one would want for an off-line page?
I'm figuring no search engine obviously, no get-it button, or anything
requiring online access.
#3: Michael Dunsavage (mikesd81) (2010-08-08 15:25:40)
Are you considering it not uesful simply because it lacks a search
engine?
#4: Wolfgang Rosenauer (wrosenauer) (2010-08-08 15:32:46) (reply to
#3)
I try to estimate how useful the start page is for the majority of users
and the current startpage is likely to get replaced by the user almost
instantly.
#6: Michael Dunsavage (mikesd81) (2010-08-08 21:01:18) (reply to #4)
Okay. I get that. But even a useful stat page gets replaced by me. Most
people have a home page they like to use. I use a personalized igoogle
page. Some may use Yahoo page for email, etc. Let's keep in mind that
Linux users in general are not average computer users and will
customize what they want. Though, it is kinda funny ot have a start
page with a "Get-it" button when it's already installed...so I buy what
you're selling. Perhaps a page more tailored to getting help or
directly to the wiki would be better. I may have mis understood you're
point because you had posted links w/ a Google search. But I understand
your philosophy.
+ #7: Will Bickerstaff (wdbstaff) (2010-08-09 08:00:17)
+ I totally get the point of this. On first opening of the systems
+ browser a useless page gives completely the wrong impression (that the
+ OS isn't completely thought through) Whether the user goes onto to
+ change the page or not is irrelevant. For openSUSE to portray a
+ polished, complete distro details like this need attention.
+ Opening a page which provides a link to download what I've just
+ installed is about as useless as it gets.
+ I think a page with links to news, the wiki help pages (that points to
+ an existing page, not the one currently provided in FF which points to
+ a non existing page, but thats a different issue), forums, shops and
+ guiding principles.
+ Make them nice and clear and add a search box that's tweaked to search
+ the web or any of the above areas of the openSUSE site.
+ I'll be doing some web site work this week so can knock up something
+ for everyone to look at
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/310300
Feature #310300, revision 10
Title: Create sensible start pages for browsers
openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Wolfgang Rosenauer (wrosenauer)
Description:
The current start page for browsers is http://www.opensuse.org/.
In my opinion the current content is not useful as a startpage which is
kept by people.
I would find a very small page with a possibility to search the net
useful like the following examples:
* http://www.google.de/firefox
* http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/Google/
* http://start.fedoraproject.org/
I don't want to promote Google but it's still the most popular search
engine and what people mainly use.
As part of this possible change I'd like to have an offline start page
which can be loaded (at least) in Firefox when the machine is offline.
Can people come up with something like that? Just an index.html with
some more files probably installed in a location where other browsers
can pick it up as well.
Discussion:
#1: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet) (2010-08-07 21:46:19)
The openSUSE page is part of our branding. Most browsers already search
with google by default anyway and users can change the startpage. I
don't think putting google as default is a good idea. What I do like
however is the idea to have an off-line page - but it should be
openSUSE branded. Anyone with some html skills could make it (even by
just dumping one of the current openSUSE webpages), who's up for that?
#2: Wolfgang Rosenauer (wrosenauer) (2010-08-07 21:51:30) (reply to
#1)
Note that I don't want to have a non-openSUSE branded page. But what I
propose is to have a minimalistic site probably with a internet search
option. I think even Google allows to have custom pages or embed the
google search into own sites.
#5: Michael Dunsavage (mikesd81) (2010-08-08 16:24:04) (reply to #1)
What's a possible outline one would want for an off-line page?
I'm figuring no search engine obviously, no get-it button, or anything
requiring online access.
#3: Michael Dunsavage (mikesd81) (2010-08-08 15:25:40)
Are you considering it not uesful simply because it lacks a search
engine?
#4: Wolfgang Rosenauer (wrosenauer) (2010-08-08 15:32:46) (reply to
#3)
I try to estimate how useful the start page is for the majority of users
and the current startpage is likely to get replaced by the user almost
instantly.
#6: Michael Dunsavage (mikesd81) (2010-08-08 21:01:18) (reply to #4)
Okay. I get that. But even a useful stat page gets replaced by me. Most
people have a home page they like to use. I use a personalized igoogle
page. Some may use Yahoo page for email, etc. Let's keep in mind that
Linux users in general are not average computer users and will
customize what they want. Though, it is kinda funny ot have a start
page with a "Get-it" button when it's already installed...so I buy what
you're selling. Perhaps a page more tailored to getting help or
directly to the wiki would be better. I may have mis understood you're
point because you had posted links w/ a Google search. But I understand
your philosophy.
+ #7: Will Bickerstaff (wdbstaff) (2010-08-09 08:00:17)
+ I totally get the point of this. On first opening of the systems
+ browser a useless page gives completely the wrong impression (that the
+ OS isn't completely thought through) Whether the user goes onto to
+ change the page or not is irrelevant. For openSUSE to portray a
+ polished, complete distro details like this need attention.
+ Opening a page which provides a link to download what I've just
+ installed is about as useless as it gets.
+ I think a page with links to news, the wiki help pages (that points to
+ an existing page, not the one currently provided in FF which points to
+ a non existing page, but thats a different issue), forums, shops and
+ guiding principles.
+ Make them nice and clear and add a search box that's tweaked to search
+ the web or any of the above areas of the openSUSE site.
+ I'll be doing some web site work this week so can knock up something
+ for everyone to look at
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/310300
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