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[openFATE 305493] Look at plymouth for splash during boot
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  • Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:01:27 +0000 (GMT)
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Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh)
Feature #305493, revision 56
Title: Look at plymouth for splash during boot

openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Stephan Kulow (coolo)
reject date: 2009-07-29 10:36:47
reject reason: running out of time and what we see so far is too little
too late ;(
Perhaps for 11.3, for 11.2 splashy sounds like the saver alternative.
Priority
Requester: Important

openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation
Priority
Requester: Important

Requested by: Vincent Untz (vuntz)

Description:
I wanted to open a fate feature about this when I first heard of
plymouth, but reading
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-better-startup/
really makes me think we should go this way.
Ray's comment starting with "Every flicker and mode change in the boot
process takes away from the whole experience." is especially
interesting.
Is it okay to track the "don't show grub by default" here?

Discussion:
#1: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2008-11-30 00:32:58)
Cool idea.

#2: Kevin Dupuy (kdupuy9) (2009-01-17 21:42:12)
I like this idea. Flickers, dropping to text, etc. makes any OS look
unprofessional.

#3: Armin Moradi (amoradi) (2009-01-19 19:49:55)
Agreed, those flickers are very unprofessional and annoying.

#4: Stijn Van Nieuwenhuyse (svnieuw) (2009-01-20 15:22:17)
With plymouth it would also be possible tot deliver a nice bootsplash
for far more setups than now are available. For example, my laptop does
not have an appropriate 16-bit widescreen framebuffer mode. Currently
the options are to have a stretched splash or have the framebuffer set
to the native (non 16-bit) resolution with bootsplash disabled. With
Fedora 10's plymouth I am able to get a good looking startup.

#5: Dean Hilkewich (deanjo13) (2009-02-18 04:54:31)
Please lets not have another "green" technology put into the distro
until it is completely ready. Usability has to become a priority before
"bells and whistles" at the cost of basic functionality. The last few
releases we have been pushing unready projects into the distro while
they are unstable and immature ie: PulseAudio, KDE 4.0, Beagle, etc and
it always turns around to bite openSUSE in the rear end.

#6: Eric Springer (erikina) (2009-02-22 03:10:46) (reply to #5)
Absolutely. However, my experience of plymouth has been all positive
(unlike all those technologies you have listed). My understanding is
that plymouth degrades gracefully on all hardware that doesn't support
it, leaving it no worse off. So if this is the case, and we're sure
that it's not going to cause problems -- I'd really like to see it in
openSUSE.<br /><br /> But yeah, stability/usability before shininess.

#7: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-03-01 16:50:55)
Not sure where the problem is.. the openSUSE CD/DVD seemed to have only
two video mode switches - one as the bootloader moves into graphics
mode, and another when X is about to come up.

#8: Dean Hilkewich (deanjo13) (2009-03-01 17:11:00) (reply to #7)
Ya the appeal eludes me too. It's not like CRT's are the mainstream
anymore where you hear the *click* *click* even anymore.

#20: Bryan Stephenson (acreda1234) (2009-11-14 19:39:06) (reply to #8)
it may be a small issue but for the linux desktop to grow, it will
always be held against Win* and OSX and needs to look just a polished,
and most of my friends have Iphones if you know what i mean, only I
want android for it's better useability..

#9: Luis Medinas (lmedinas) (2009-06-02 05:36:05)
Since 11.2 will ship a new kernel (KMS) and xorg 1.6 this is a good
idea to replace the old bootsplash (unmaintained). Please review this
feature.

#10: T. J. Brumfield (enderandrew) (2009-06-13 19:50:07)
Consider this a vote for plymouth, grub2, and hiden grub menu when
there is only one OS.

#11: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2009-06-22 04:28:18)
(reply to #10)
I agree: plymouth, grub2 and the hidden grub menu would be desirable

#12: Luis Medinas (lmedinas) (2009-07-20 04:32:50)
There are some packages available for openSUSE Factory[1]. Don't know
what's the status since i didn't test it yet.
1 -
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/etrash:/plymouth/openSUSE_Factory/


#13: Holger Macht (hmacht) (2009-07-20 09:59:34)
Just a note to keep the graphical suspend in mind. We currently use
splashy for suspend/resume and bootsplash.org for booting. Whatever
there is done, please consider getting rid of the second splash system
in openSUSE. There should only be one which is used both for suspend
and booting.

#17: (brejc8) (2009-10-11 22:22:12) (reply to #13)
There are patches sent to the user-level-suspend team which allow
plymouth to be used as the graphical system (in place of splashy). This
would reduce the number applications which have themed.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1252512677.4519.16.camel%
40trinidad.mandrakesoft.com&forum_name=suspend-devel
(http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1252512677.4519.16.camel%
40trinidad.mandrakesoft.com&forum_name=suspend-devel)

#14: Luis Medinas (lmedinas) (2009-07-20 17:20:55)
Yes is not acceptable using 2 applications for common stuff. We should
move to splashy (which supports both features) or plymouth.
Anyone want to came with a theme for opensuse ? Maybe the artwork team
have a word here.

#15: Jakub Steiner (jimmacfx) (2009-07-20 20:14:11) (reply to #14)
the artwork "team" has to create themes for both splashy and bootsplash
now. On top of that, bootsplash has a really nasty theming system. I
would really favor having to worry about splashy only.
The flicker-free aspect of plymouth is extremely appealing, so if it
can do what splashy does, let's go for it.
I really just wish the bootsplash zombie died for opensuse at last!

#16: Giorgos Koutsikos (ragecryx) (2009-07-28 02:51:02)
Just to mention that Plymouth sources are hosted in the Git repository
of freedesktop.org (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/) just in case
anyone want to try it out (or any packager want to pack latest
version).

#18: Bart Otten (bartotten) (2009-10-13 15:58:44)
Any progress regaerding this feature? Would be nice to have it in 11.3

#19: Thomas Sundell (thsundel) (2009-10-20 09:08:40)
Nice feature, would be nice to see plymouth in 11.3

#21: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2009-11-26 09:47:05)
Switching splash screen technology probably requires integration with
boot.crypto. Please notify me in time if there are changes.

+ #22: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-26 02:02:13)
+ If it helps reducing the number of bootsplash implementations SUSE has
+ to ship with, yes please.



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