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[openFATE 305691] Support ext4 as installation option
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- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:07:06 +0200 (CEST)
- Message-id: <feature-305691-77@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Feature changed by: Alexander Orlovskyy (aorlovskyy)
Feature #305691, revision 77
Title: Support ext4 as installation option
openSUSE-11.2: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Mandatory
Requested by: Stephan Binner (beineri)
Description:
Next openSUSE release should at least support to use (versus "default
to") ext4 as file system.
Test Case:
* Install Opensuse 11.2 and choose ext4 as Filesystem for root /
Discussion:
#1: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-01-18 03:29:23)
I think there will be an option to that naturally as openSUSE 11.1 will
use the newer kernel with stabilized ext4 tree. All the tools for it
are already there and GRUB also supports it. It's not necessary to vote
for this feature as it will naturally be there.
#9: Martin Zeltin (queenz) (2009-02-10 18:34:03) (reply to #1)
I really hope that Ext4 will be the default File System for openSuSE
11.2 It is really good.
#10: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-02-18 17:01:17) (reply to #9)
did you testing and comparisions yourself? or is that hearsay?
#2: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-01-18 03:29:43)
Sorry meant 11.2
#3: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-18 17:55:32)
yeah that is a good idea
but @ version 11.2
#4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-01-19 09:50:29)
XFS has had many features of ext4 for years already (and is currently
also supported by openSUSE and grub).
#5: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-01-19 09:52:16) (reply to #4)
But yeah, support would be great. At the same time, btrfs could be
added as an experimental selection.
#6: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-01-23 22:22:23)
The problem with XFS is that it's no longer maintained. Second is that
it gets fragmented heavily.
#7: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2009-01-28 14:59:00) (reply to #6)
what do you mean by no longer maintained? Only in openSUSE or in
general? If in general, I highly doubt XFS is no longer maintained as
it's still actively under development (check out xfs mailing list).
And how does XFS gets fragmented heavily? Out of all file systems for
Linux so far, it offers the least amount of fragmentation. I do not use
XFS as main file system on my rigs because I've had a lot of problems
with it, mostly messing up things after power outage or hard reboots
#8: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-01-28 15:07:58) (reply to #7)
could you please discuss different file systems elsewhere? This is not
the correct forum.
#14: Arvin Schnell (aschnell) (2009-05-05 10:55:10)
Added jreidinger and juhliarik as developers since YaST bootloader also
needs support.
#15: Jozef Uhliarik (juhliarik) (2009-05-20 14:50:43)
yast2-bootloader 2.18.8 includes support check for ext4. If /boot
direcotry si on partition with ext4 filesystem yast2-bootloader shows
warning message. There is necessary to create separete /boot partition
with ext2/3. IMHO the feature is done for yast2-bootloader and also for
perl-Bootloader
#16: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-05-20 14:59:26) (reply to #15)
why does it do that? The patch for fate#305162 is doing what it should
on my laptop.
#18: Stephan Kleine (bitshuffler) (2009-05-25 16:40:35)
Since the now removed comment once again emphasizes that one should
never ever use ext4 for /boot for some unknown reason could anyone
please explain why this should be such a problem and or poste some
links / pointers to more information backing this up?
I'm just seriously wondering since I'm using ext4 for /boot on Arch
since they released a kernel where it wasn't marked experimental
anymore and never experienced any problem.
Thanks a lot in advance.
#21: Jozef Uhliarik (juhliarik) (2009-05-27 15:40:29)
It seems that it will be nice discussion where I am the bad guy who is
against booting from ext4 and who block nice perfect and cool feature. ;
-) but... the truth is out there.
Adding Torsten Duwe to feature.
Torsten please write there any nice comment about GRUB and ext4. I ma
sure that you are the best person who can respond for all questions in
the feature.
#22: Torsten Duwe (duwe) (2009-05-27 17:48:03) (reply to #21)
Let me get 2 things straight:
1) "boot" and "root" are different things
2) I'm not against ext4. Anyone in this group please speak up that he
will investigate and fix ext4-related boot problems bacause frankly I
do not have the time any more.
#23: Torsten Duwe (duwe) (2009-05-27 17:52:21) (reply to #21)
Reading files from ext4 currently is possible from grub, but I strongly
vote against making ext4 the default file system to boot from, as long
as my previous Issue #2 is unresolved.
#24: Bergwolf Paine (bergwolf) (2009-06-03 05:51:22) (reply to #23)
Hi, Torsten
I am the GSOC student writing grub4ext4 patch last year. I'm running
x64 opensuse on ext4 on my laptop. And I boot from ext4 partitions
without any problem. The migration only needs a new initramfs and some
small e2fsck scipt change (in opensuse's script there was an option
that upstream e2fsck doesn't understand, iirc, because my migration was
almost half a year ago).
#25: Bergwolf Paine (bergwolf) (2009-06-03 08:53:15) (reply to #23)
And I don't mind to be added to the cc list of any boot-kernel-on-ext4
related problems. I am willing to help to fix them.
#26: Jiri Benc (jbenc) (2009-06-08 13:18:19) (reply to #25)
Thanks, Bergwolf! As it seems all of the mentioned issues are resolved
now, could we please have the proper support for ext4 in YaST?
#27: Jozef Uhliarik (juhliarik) (2009-06-08 14:57:27) (reply to #26)
Yes of course. Please just ignore the warning message about using of
ext4 from yast2-bootloader. I will delete it later.
#28: T. J. Brumfield (enderandrew) (2009-06-13 20:52:12)
Shouldn't this feature be marked as completed? Hasn't EXT4 support been
added to 11.2?
+ #29: Alexander Orlovskyy (aorlovskyy) (2009-10-19 16:06:40)
+ Successful installation 11.2 RC1 with ext4 filesystem on root.
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/305691
Feature #305691, revision 77
Title: Support ext4 as installation option
openSUSE-11.2: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Mandatory
Requested by: Stephan Binner (beineri)
Description:
Next openSUSE release should at least support to use (versus "default
to") ext4 as file system.
Test Case:
* Install Opensuse 11.2 and choose ext4 as Filesystem for root /
Discussion:
#1: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-01-18 03:29:23)
I think there will be an option to that naturally as openSUSE 11.1 will
use the newer kernel with stabilized ext4 tree. All the tools for it
are already there and GRUB also supports it. It's not necessary to vote
for this feature as it will naturally be there.
#9: Martin Zeltin (queenz) (2009-02-10 18:34:03) (reply to #1)
I really hope that Ext4 will be the default File System for openSuSE
11.2 It is really good.
#10: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-02-18 17:01:17) (reply to #9)
did you testing and comparisions yourself? or is that hearsay?
#2: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-01-18 03:29:43)
Sorry meant 11.2
#3: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-18 17:55:32)
yeah that is a good idea
but @ version 11.2
#4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-01-19 09:50:29)
XFS has had many features of ext4 for years already (and is currently
also supported by openSUSE and grub).
#5: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-01-19 09:52:16) (reply to #4)
But yeah, support would be great. At the same time, btrfs could be
added as an experimental selection.
#6: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-01-23 22:22:23)
The problem with XFS is that it's no longer maintained. Second is that
it gets fragmented heavily.
#7: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2009-01-28 14:59:00) (reply to #6)
what do you mean by no longer maintained? Only in openSUSE or in
general? If in general, I highly doubt XFS is no longer maintained as
it's still actively under development (check out xfs mailing list).
And how does XFS gets fragmented heavily? Out of all file systems for
Linux so far, it offers the least amount of fragmentation. I do not use
XFS as main file system on my rigs because I've had a lot of problems
with it, mostly messing up things after power outage or hard reboots
#8: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-01-28 15:07:58) (reply to #7)
could you please discuss different file systems elsewhere? This is not
the correct forum.
#14: Arvin Schnell (aschnell) (2009-05-05 10:55:10)
Added jreidinger and juhliarik as developers since YaST bootloader also
needs support.
#15: Jozef Uhliarik (juhliarik) (2009-05-20 14:50:43)
yast2-bootloader 2.18.8 includes support check for ext4. If /boot
direcotry si on partition with ext4 filesystem yast2-bootloader shows
warning message. There is necessary to create separete /boot partition
with ext2/3. IMHO the feature is done for yast2-bootloader and also for
perl-Bootloader
#16: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2009-05-20 14:59:26) (reply to #15)
why does it do that? The patch for fate#305162 is doing what it should
on my laptop.
#18: Stephan Kleine (bitshuffler) (2009-05-25 16:40:35)
Since the now removed comment once again emphasizes that one should
never ever use ext4 for /boot for some unknown reason could anyone
please explain why this should be such a problem and or poste some
links / pointers to more information backing this up?
I'm just seriously wondering since I'm using ext4 for /boot on Arch
since they released a kernel where it wasn't marked experimental
anymore and never experienced any problem.
Thanks a lot in advance.
#21: Jozef Uhliarik (juhliarik) (2009-05-27 15:40:29)
It seems that it will be nice discussion where I am the bad guy who is
against booting from ext4 and who block nice perfect and cool feature. ;
-) but... the truth is out there.
Adding Torsten Duwe to feature.
Torsten please write there any nice comment about GRUB and ext4. I ma
sure that you are the best person who can respond for all questions in
the feature.
#22: Torsten Duwe (duwe) (2009-05-27 17:48:03) (reply to #21)
Let me get 2 things straight:
1) "boot" and "root" are different things
2) I'm not against ext4. Anyone in this group please speak up that he
will investigate and fix ext4-related boot problems bacause frankly I
do not have the time any more.
#23: Torsten Duwe (duwe) (2009-05-27 17:52:21) (reply to #21)
Reading files from ext4 currently is possible from grub, but I strongly
vote against making ext4 the default file system to boot from, as long
as my previous Issue #2 is unresolved.
#24: Bergwolf Paine (bergwolf) (2009-06-03 05:51:22) (reply to #23)
Hi, Torsten
I am the GSOC student writing grub4ext4 patch last year. I'm running
x64 opensuse on ext4 on my laptop. And I boot from ext4 partitions
without any problem. The migration only needs a new initramfs and some
small e2fsck scipt change (in opensuse's script there was an option
that upstream e2fsck doesn't understand, iirc, because my migration was
almost half a year ago).
#25: Bergwolf Paine (bergwolf) (2009-06-03 08:53:15) (reply to #23)
And I don't mind to be added to the cc list of any boot-kernel-on-ext4
related problems. I am willing to help to fix them.
#26: Jiri Benc (jbenc) (2009-06-08 13:18:19) (reply to #25)
Thanks, Bergwolf! As it seems all of the mentioned issues are resolved
now, could we please have the proper support for ext4 in YaST?
#27: Jozef Uhliarik (juhliarik) (2009-06-08 14:57:27) (reply to #26)
Yes of course. Please just ignore the warning message about using of
ext4 from yast2-bootloader. I will delete it later.
#28: T. J. Brumfield (enderandrew) (2009-06-13 20:52:12)
Shouldn't this feature be marked as completed? Hasn't EXT4 support been
added to 11.2?
+ #29: Alexander Orlovskyy (aorlovskyy) (2009-10-19 16:06:40)
+ Successful installation 11.2 RC1 with ext4 filesystem on root.
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/305691
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