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[openFATE 306733] Add KDE3 buildservice repository to community list
- From: fate_noreply@xxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:16:07 +0200 (CEST)
- Message-id: <feature-306733-14@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Feature changed by: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb)
Feature #306733, revision 14
Title: Add KDE3 buildservice repository to community list
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Karsten König (remur)
Description:
As openSUSE 11.2 will drop KDE3 from main repositories we should make
adding the KDE3 repository as easy as possible, adding KDE3 to the
community repository list would be an easy way to do this and will
point out the unsupported state of the repository.
Use Case:
* Elmar wants to keep using KDE3 as KDE4 still isn't ready for him, he
doesn't mind using a seperate inofficial repository though.
This will make it easy for him to add the repository at install time
and select KDE3
* Karsten hangs around #opensuse-kde and after 11.2 release a lot of
people come and ask how to get KDE3 and start bitching about the
decission to drop it, he can now point out this easy way to add the
repository and help restore order in the channel
Discussion:
#1: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-14 22:00:29)
Vote for this if you are still interested in KDE3! The KDE team has
recently decided to drop 'poorly maintained' KDE3 apps from factory
(currently the only source for KDE3 at os11.2). Nonetheless these apps
may still be more elaborate and stable than their KDE4 counterparts.
For a list of KDE3 apps and such apps not ported to KDE4 (or at least
some of them) you may have a look at
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Community/kde3_eval.
(http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Community/kde3_eval)
#2: Karsten König (remur) (2009-08-15 15:46:46) (reply to #1)
Lubos asked on the -kde list which applications should be kept, why did
you not reply there?
There still is a KDE3 source, KDE:KDE3 in the obs, it just doesn't get
added to the community list because nobody works on it, it's up for
adoption, help welcome...
#3: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-23 11:20:49) (reply to
#2)
oops, must have forgotten to subscribe.
#4: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-23 11:58:32) (reply to
#2)
I thought dropping them from factory will not mind if these apps are kept
to be provided by a default KDE3 repo as
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2. However
I had to notice that such a repo does not exist yet.
#5: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 14:23:22)
> adding KDE3 to the community repository list would be an easy way to
do this and will point out the unsupported state of the repository.
I would rather argue the opposite, adding it would suggest that it's
somekind of supported.
Voting against! :-)
#6: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-23 21:52:56) (reply to
#5)
For the average user the 'support state' will not make a great difference
anyway. The fact that some KDE3 apps are poorly maintained does not
make any difference unless you have filed a bug for them. Even in times
of KDE3 being 'well supported' so many bug reports have not been
responded upon for years or not at all!
Allowing to add KDE3 at install time will also facilitate the change to
KDE4 since it is a common use case to run both - the KDE3 and the
respecitive KDE4 app. in order to manually transfer ones user
settings.
#7: Karsten König (remur) (2009-08-23 22:25:29) (reply to #6)
The user can add the KDE3 repository at install time or later and get
all the kde3 apps as long as they compile.
We don't want to make this look in any way supported, because it isn't
and nobody wants to do it, this is for advanced users, and we expect
them to be able to handle this themself.
+ #10: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-25 21:15:09) (reply to
+ #7)
+ The feature request should possibly have been about making the KDE3 repo
+ available at install time rather than adding it to the community list
+ (could not file this request by myself; unfortunately can not change
+ it.). Nonetheless I am not quite sure about the difference that would
+ make. When is a repo considered to be in the community list?
+ Selecting 'KDE3 - unsupported' in addition to KDE4 at install time
+ would be nice thing; I think (see Feature 306967, Comment 89;
+ https://features.opensuse.org/306967)
#8: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 23:42:53) (reply to #6)
It does make a great difference for the user very well if the packages
don't even build. And if you look at the KDE:KDE3 repository eg kdepim3
does not.
#9: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-25 20:55:07) (reply to
#8)
I don`t understand what you mean. People add a binary repository in order
not having to build packages. Who would care about building a package
if it is available as binary?? - nobody (except a programmer applying
custom changes).
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/306733
Feature #306733, revision 14
Title: Add KDE3 buildservice repository to community list
openSUSE-11.2: Rejected
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: Karsten König (remur)
Description:
As openSUSE 11.2 will drop KDE3 from main repositories we should make
adding the KDE3 repository as easy as possible, adding KDE3 to the
community repository list would be an easy way to do this and will
point out the unsupported state of the repository.
Use Case:
* Elmar wants to keep using KDE3 as KDE4 still isn't ready for him, he
doesn't mind using a seperate inofficial repository though.
This will make it easy for him to add the repository at install time
and select KDE3
* Karsten hangs around #opensuse-kde and after 11.2 release a lot of
people come and ask how to get KDE3 and start bitching about the
decission to drop it, he can now point out this easy way to add the
repository and help restore order in the channel
Discussion:
#1: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-14 22:00:29)
Vote for this if you are still interested in KDE3! The KDE team has
recently decided to drop 'poorly maintained' KDE3 apps from factory
(currently the only source for KDE3 at os11.2). Nonetheless these apps
may still be more elaborate and stable than their KDE4 counterparts.
For a list of KDE3 apps and such apps not ported to KDE4 (or at least
some of them) you may have a look at
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Community/kde3_eval.
(http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Community/kde3_eval)
#2: Karsten König (remur) (2009-08-15 15:46:46) (reply to #1)
Lubos asked on the -kde list which applications should be kept, why did
you not reply there?
There still is a KDE3 source, KDE:KDE3 in the obs, it just doesn't get
added to the community list because nobody works on it, it's up for
adoption, help welcome...
#3: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-23 11:20:49) (reply to
#2)
oops, must have forgotten to subscribe.
#4: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-23 11:58:32) (reply to
#2)
I thought dropping them from factory will not mind if these apps are kept
to be provided by a default KDE3 repo as
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2. However
I had to notice that such a repo does not exist yet.
#5: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 14:23:22)
> adding KDE3 to the community repository list would be an easy way to
do this and will point out the unsupported state of the repository.
I would rather argue the opposite, adding it would suggest that it's
somekind of supported.
Voting against! :-)
#6: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-23 21:52:56) (reply to
#5)
For the average user the 'support state' will not make a great difference
anyway. The fact that some KDE3 apps are poorly maintained does not
make any difference unless you have filed a bug for them. Even in times
of KDE3 being 'well supported' so many bug reports have not been
responded upon for years or not at all!
Allowing to add KDE3 at install time will also facilitate the change to
KDE4 since it is a common use case to run both - the KDE3 and the
respecitive KDE4 app. in order to manually transfer ones user
settings.
#7: Karsten König (remur) (2009-08-23 22:25:29) (reply to #6)
The user can add the KDE3 repository at install time or later and get
all the kde3 apps as long as they compile.
We don't want to make this look in any way supported, because it isn't
and nobody wants to do it, this is for advanced users, and we expect
them to be able to handle this themself.
+ #10: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-25 21:15:09) (reply to
+ #7)
+ The feature request should possibly have been about making the KDE3 repo
+ available at install time rather than adding it to the community list
+ (could not file this request by myself; unfortunately can not change
+ it.). Nonetheless I am not quite sure about the difference that would
+ make. When is a repo considered to be in the community list?
+ Selecting 'KDE3 - unsupported' in addition to KDE4 at install time
+ would be nice thing; I think (see Feature 306967, Comment 89;
+ https://features.opensuse.org/306967)
#8: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 23:42:53) (reply to #6)
It does make a great difference for the user very well if the packages
don't even build. And if you look at the KDE:KDE3 repository eg kdepim3
does not.
#9: Elmar Stellnberger ATK (estellnb) (2009-08-25 20:55:07) (reply to
#8)
I don`t understand what you mean. People add a binary repository in order
not having to build packages. Who would care about building a package
if it is available as binary?? - nobody (except a programmer applying
custom changes).
--
openSUSE Feature:
https://features.opensuse.org/306733
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