(4)(4)but openSUSE is mostly installed by less advanced users, > who mostly do not know anything about Servers Well, that does not necessarily be true according to other requests I see:-) But I agree that the "less advanced users" have to be covered in
[...] This is something that makes openSUSE behind almost all major > GNU/Linux distributions. [...] Well, you might simply avoid those type of comments, please, as it weakens your very valid points above and below ( because people might become angry ). (6)(6)Propose: > [...] Instead of your proposal let me post a proposal I wrote roughly 2 years ago here in bugzilla (closed bug); in meta-programming-language (and covering also datacenter use e.g. of SLES product): if( SAN-storage-found ) { expert-partitioning(); } else if( num-of- harddisks > 1 ) { expert-partitioning(); } else if( only-one-windows-
Feature changed by: Martin Schmidkunz (mschmidkunz) Feature #305716, revision 6 Title: Disk partitioning under installation openSUSE-11.2: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Sebastian Furdal (resus) Description: We all know, that openSUSE as a default wants use on its own entire disk. This is VERRY BAD setting. On this website exist a pool: http://suse.ehelp.pl/modules/xoopspoll/pollresults.php?poll_id=24 POLISH: Czy os11 powinien miec przy instalacji mozliwosc wyboru, na ktorej partycji zainstalować system? ENGLISH: Should os11 installation program have make a choice on what partition install the system? 94% users sad YES (tak) Try my proposal... "See the attachments" Relations: - [openSUSE 11.1] Disk partitioning under installation (Disk) (novell/bugzilla/id: 383886) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=383886 Discussion: #1: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-04-25 12:36:23) Created an attachment (id=210574) Disk (GIMP) #2: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-04-25 12:37:01) Created an attachment (id=210575) Button "create" #3: Arvin Schnell (aschnell) (2008-04-28 03:44:40) Something for PM to decide. #4: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2008-04-28 04:10:30) Actually this fits the feedback I got during fosdem - the _HUGE_ majority of (power) users has to change the proposal. But the "Create" and "Edit" buttons are already more prominently as they were in previous releases. This was on the behalf of this feedback. #5: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-04-28 07:47:26) Created an attachment (id=210885) Version 2 #6: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2008-04-29 04:06:15) I do not completly understand the request, I fear:-( Is it (1) about leaving space for windows or other OSes? (2) or about _how_ the Linux partitioning should look like? (3) or about both? I personally have a rather "sophisticated" partitioning (people say: "crazy"), thus I am planning to propose a LVM based partitioning as one (!) option (and default for our Enterprise Server product) with roughly (!) this layout. /dev/sda1 /boot /dev/sda2 /swap /dev/sda3 # system VG / /usr /opt /var /dev/sda4 # data VG /tmp /home /srv This more or less resembles the defaults of Unix/BSD systems. As said: it is the "extended" variant of what I can imagine for systems, where Linux is allowed to control the whole harddisk. For systems with shared windows partitions the layout should be different. And suggestions? Comments? Ideas? Proposals? Thanks in advance - so long - MgE #8: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-05-01 02:19:50) (1)(1)does the idea of „automatic partitioning” is to make monopoly in one OS on one computer? [sarcasm] (2)(2)Yes, its only a proposal, more details I can make in some free time. (3)(3)Yap (4)(4)but openSUSE is mostly installed by less advanced users, who mostly do not know anything about Servers (5)(5)Most people on the world have a Windows and they install GNU/Linux with curiosity, and GNU/Linux should not propose to delete their favorite system and all precious data that where collected for years. This is something that makes openSUSE behind almost all major GNU/Linux distributions. And even I do not use Windows, but GNU/Linux (doesn't matter if its not openSUSE/SUSE) but I want check this distro [...] (6)(6)Propose: 1. After detecting disks and partitions Yast2 should propose mount points for all existed partitions. 2. When it finds completely free partition (doesn't matter with what file system - sometimes users prepare before installation free partition under different OS for a new system) OR/AND unallocated space with more size than installation required it should mark it with a green color – that on this partition/space You can install openSUSE with options /boot, /swap, /, /usr, ... etc. 3. When it doesn't find good partition then it should ask “Create automatic disk partitioning?”. a) YES - Automatically create partition setup for home users (example only with “/” and “/home” and ”/boot” - boot is very important for grub, because for example when a user delete under windows Linux partition grub is still in the MBR but it cant find config files - “OH MY GOD, LOOK LINUX DESTROYED MY SYSTEM – I WILL NEVER USE LINIX AGAIN” and most people do not know anything about windows installation “fixmbr”) - ALL DATA WILL BE LOST [red color] - Automatically create partition setup for server - ALL DATA WILL BE LOST [red color] b) NO - Edit partition setup (all proposed mount points in step 1. should remain even without “/” but whit red warning “To install openSUSE You have to create partition with minimal size $MINIMAL_INSTALLATION_SIZE GB”). #9: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2008-05-06 20:56:51) Hello and thanks for the answers. Please see my comments below.? (In reply to comment #8 from Sebastian Furdal) > > (1) about leaving space for windows or other OSes? > (1)(1)does the idea of „automatic partitioning” is to make monopoly in one > OS on one computer? [sarcasm] I agree: I have at least 3 openSUSE/SLES systems on my systems, and every fresh installation tries to kill my "vg_data". This is just annoying and will be fixed. > > (2) or about _how_ the Linux partitioning should look like? > (2)(2)Yes, its only a proposal, more details I can make in some free time. I also have some ideas there, ... the most save way. partition_on( first_harddisk ) ) { # case 2 below partitioning-with- shrink( first_harddisk ) | expert-partitioning(); } else if( some- partitions-but-free-space_on( first_harddisk ) ){ # case 3 below partitioning-without-shrink-or-delete_on (first_harddisk ) | expert- partitioning(); } else if( some-partitions-but-no-free-space_on( first_harddisk ) ) { expert-partitioning(); } else if( multiple- existing-OSes-found ){ expert-partitioning(); } else { # empty harddisk, case 1 below default-partitioning(); } I would like to see that a little bit less complex, but I hope it could be a good start; I also hope we can agree that there are only three relatively "safe" & easy cases: 1. one empty harddisk 2. one harddisk full with another OS (most probably windows) 3. (at least) one (bigger) empty primary partition on first harddisk Everything else needs "knowledge" by the person in front of the computer, i.e. an "expert partitioner" YaST module to support this person, HTH - MgE #10: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2008-05-26 06:19:13) What do you think? #11: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-07-20 03:40:24) I think advanced partitioning should be rewritten, sometimes it is to complicated ... Your proposal is good but openSUSE should automatically propose simple and automatic solutions ... such as: - propose partitions where oS could be installed - propose automatic mount points - propose some profiles of partitioning etc. What You think? #12: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-10-24 05:24:05) Information was provided. #13: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2009-01-21 11:57:03) Moved to openFATE from bugzilla. Let's proceed for openSUSE 11.2 based on what we have in openSUSE 11.1. #14: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-02-03 18:21:57) On LVM it does not support barriers used by fs journals, which for ext3 in SuSE are enabled (but not by most distros). If a Windows type system is detected, I suggest default to resize. If previous Linux, I would offer to 'edit' the current setup, or use whole disk, as it is hard (impossible?) to make good guesses on behalf experienced user. + #15: Martin Schmidkunz (mschmidkunz) (2009-02-06 14:41:43) + What about adopting the installation proposal layout to the + partitioning during installation? + See http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Partitioner_proposal.png for a mock + up -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305716