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[Fate 302957] Combined "where am I" page
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- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:51:15 +0100 (CET)
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Feature changed by: cfarrell
Feature #302957, revision 10
Title: Combined "where am I" page
openSUSE-11.0: New
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
SLED-11: New
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
SLES-11: New
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Requested by: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Our (openSUSE) statistics show that most of our users are not native
english speakers. So I'm blindly assuming they do not have a english
keyboard either and do not live in an english speaking timezone.
So I want the first page to be not just the language in a blue box, but
to have _one_ installation page with language, timezone and keyboard
selection.
These selections should depend on each other, so depending on where I
click first the others change.
To have a good looking addon, I picture the timezone selection as
picture and not as fullscreen list boxes.
Discussion:
#1: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 11:48:30)
An additional note, feature #302955 is related (split translations out
of installation system).
#2: jsrain@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 13:27:05)
Isn't it easier for users who do not speak English to have the first
dialog really as simple as possible (since they cannot read it)? Having
just one selection box leads them straight where they need to get; I
guess that most of them use mouse for installation, so keyboard is not
an issue either...
Also, we already have a support in isolinux to select language; then
the first dialog is skipped.
#3: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 14:13:14)
If isolinux provides a language, then the page is not worse than the
timezone page is now. Just that it also allows to change the language
after the fact.
If users do not grasp english _at all_, they will have a hard time
booting the installation off the CD. So I would blindly assume that
users have no problem with selecting Deutsch, русский or čeština when
presented with a list even if they do not understand the exact context.
And when next to that list is even a graphical presentation of the
world, most will be able to select the part of the world they live in.
#4: evamaria.fuchs@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 16:00:35)
I think for the secondary target market of opensuse (first time user,
home user)an installer wizard that consists of a series of screens
would be convenient.
Basically it's preferable that language-, time-zone- and keyboard-
selection depend on each other so that modifying one will effect the
others. But - as I prefer a picture (e.g. a rotating globe) for time-
zone selection - sticking them together in one screen would clutter the
whole thing up.
#5: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-15 13:01:50)
after some discussions with Eva, I want to reexpress my request:
I want the language selection to be on one page together with license
and a welcome text and the timezone dialog to be graphical and a
proposed keyboard layout associated to the language from the first
page.
The license text doesn't have to be visible in full beauty. I talked
with the lawyer and what I got was: it's ok if the license can be read,
it doesn't have to optimized for scrolling.
I'll work on a mockup. The challenge is that we might need a slightly
different work flow for ncurses, but I think popups are ok for it. So
you can write UI code, that either fills a special widget or opens a
popup.
#6: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-18 13:53:57) (reply to #5)
Danger Mouse! I'm very far from a capable mockup designer.
But here is my show: http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/Namenlos.png
#7: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-18 13:54:45) (reply to #6)
Ciaran, just to verify: is this way to present the license ok?
+ #9: cfarrell@xxxxxxx (2007-11-19 08:51:13) (reply to #7)
+ Provided that we maintain the status quo with regard to not proceeding
+ with the installation until the user actually accepts the license.
#8: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-18 14:39:45) (reply to #6)
mocking up the timezone page, I leave to the interested reader.
For reference: this is how unbuntu's installer looks like:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=2.png
I would make the map a little smaller and do not show a region and not
the name of the timezone again, but rather have the value of the
combobox fill in what we have now as Europe/Berlin.
Because I want a "Keyboard: English" with a little test field in there.
But that is to be discussed. The main goal is to have a graphical
selection instead of these fullscreen list boxes.
--
SUSE Feature Tool:
http://partnerfate.suse.de/?rm=feature_show&id=302957
Feature #302957, revision 10
Title: Combined "where am I" page
openSUSE-11.0: New
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
SLED-11: New
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
SLES-11: New
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Requested by: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Our (openSUSE) statistics show that most of our users are not native
english speakers. So I'm blindly assuming they do not have a english
keyboard either and do not live in an english speaking timezone.
So I want the first page to be not just the language in a blue box, but
to have _one_ installation page with language, timezone and keyboard
selection.
These selections should depend on each other, so depending on where I
click first the others change.
To have a good looking addon, I picture the timezone selection as
picture and not as fullscreen list boxes.
Discussion:
#1: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 11:48:30)
An additional note, feature #302955 is related (split translations out
of installation system).
#2: jsrain@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 13:27:05)
Isn't it easier for users who do not speak English to have the first
dialog really as simple as possible (since they cannot read it)? Having
just one selection box leads them straight where they need to get; I
guess that most of them use mouse for installation, so keyboard is not
an issue either...
Also, we already have a support in isolinux to select language; then
the first dialog is skipped.
#3: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 14:13:14)
If isolinux provides a language, then the page is not worse than the
timezone page is now. Just that it also allows to change the language
after the fact.
If users do not grasp english _at all_, they will have a hard time
booting the installation off the CD. So I would blindly assume that
users have no problem with selecting Deutsch, русский or čeština when
presented with a list even if they do not understand the exact context.
And when next to that list is even a graphical presentation of the
world, most will be able to select the part of the world they live in.
#4: evamaria.fuchs@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-09 16:00:35)
I think for the secondary target market of opensuse (first time user,
home user)an installer wizard that consists of a series of screens
would be convenient.
Basically it's preferable that language-, time-zone- and keyboard-
selection depend on each other so that modifying one will effect the
others. But - as I prefer a picture (e.g. a rotating globe) for time-
zone selection - sticking them together in one screen would clutter the
whole thing up.
#5: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-15 13:01:50)
after some discussions with Eva, I want to reexpress my request:
I want the language selection to be on one page together with license
and a welcome text and the timezone dialog to be graphical and a
proposed keyboard layout associated to the language from the first
page.
The license text doesn't have to be visible in full beauty. I talked
with the lawyer and what I got was: it's ok if the license can be read,
it doesn't have to optimized for scrolling.
I'll work on a mockup. The challenge is that we might need a slightly
different work flow for ncurses, but I think popups are ok for it. So
you can write UI code, that either fills a special widget or opens a
popup.
#6: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-18 13:53:57) (reply to #5)
Danger Mouse! I'm very far from a capable mockup designer.
But here is my show: http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/Namenlos.png
#7: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-18 13:54:45) (reply to #6)
Ciaran, just to verify: is this way to present the license ok?
+ #9: cfarrell@xxxxxxx (2007-11-19 08:51:13) (reply to #7)
+ Provided that we maintain the status quo with regard to not proceeding
+ with the installation until the user actually accepts the license.
#8: coolo@xxxxxxxxxx (2007-11-18 14:39:45) (reply to #6)
mocking up the timezone page, I leave to the interested reader.
For reference: this is how unbuntu's installer looks like:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=2.png
I would make the map a little smaller and do not show a region and not
the name of the timezone again, but rather have the value of the
combobox fill in what we have now as Europe/Berlin.
Because I want a "Keyboard: English" with a little test field in there.
But that is to be discussed. The main goal is to have a graphical
selection instead of these fullscreen list boxes.
--
SUSE Feature Tool:
http://partnerfate.suse.de/?rm=feature_show&id=302957
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