Thank you very much, Rainer Hantsch, for this post. I fully agree with your opinion about old "stable" SUSE kernels. And it is very helpful to get so much feedback from your customers. Fortunately I currently do not have brand new hardware. But I am absolutely sure, that I have absolutely no interest to use the old SUSE kernels with Leap 15.0, not on desktops, not on laptops and not on servers. When I buy new hardware I plan to prepare a 4.19.x kernel with SUSE patches (from the Tumbleweed kernel) and with new patches from Vanilla kernel. As the result I get an 4.19.15 (or newer) longterm Kernel with SUSE patches. I hope that this kernel with run much better on servers, desktops and laptops with openSUSE Leap 15.0 then the pre-installed kernel, especially on new hardware. I am unsure, if I really want to include the SUSE kernel patches because I haven't found and read the documentation for the SUSE kernel patches. Some time ago Apparmor from SUSE was more capable then the Vanilla kernel Apparmor version. The problem with integrating SUSE patches is, that I will not get SUSE patch updates for my mixed SUSE/Vanilla kernel. Sometimes also the conflicts between SUSE patches and upstream Vanilla patches are difficult to solve for non-kernel developers. May be a group of SUSE and openSUSE developers will create a repository for longterm Kernels with SUSE patches. Together with installation images and testing this would solve some problems with brand new hardware. Some other problems e.g. with old Intel graphics drivers will persist, of only the Kernel is updated. I am a Tumbleweed user on my main desktop machine, but I find the suggestion from SUSE members to use Tumbleweed for new hardware which does not work correctly inappropriate for common use cases. Tumbleweed is inappropriate for Linux newbies and it is mostly inappropriate for server and cloud users. The Kernel-stable repository is also inappropriate for many use cases. For instance I often had problems with Nvidia drivers which did not compile on the Kernel_stable kernels without special hotfix patches from the community. Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org