On 2018-08-05 9:38 p.m., Simon Lees wrote:
To me it seems like we are trying to squeeze 2 completely different things into one list which is possibly causing much of the tension here.
yes. And some of those two have subclauses :-)
1. We need a place for openSUSE developers to discuss openSUSE development - A mailing list still seems like the best solution for this to me. Even though the UI for our lists could be improved.
This is email? What's to improve? The US is in the hands of the end user, the mail reader he or she chooses to use. Or are you proposing allowing html and attachments? Perhaps a different mailing list manager than mlmm, one that offer better help@ and allows email based access to the archives by whatever range the user specifies so that we're not forced to use the ${DEITY}-damned awful UI on the web page we have now. Yes, we're aware the other ML manager have them, either as built in or as 3rd party well supported ad-ins.
2. A place for tumbleweed users to follow to get updates about
, maybe there is a better medium for these announcements, Dimstar generally posts weekly updates for tumbleweed to news.o.o and for most weeks this is probably all most tumbleweed users need most weeks unless something goes exceptionally wrong.
Are you proposing an opensuse-tumbleweed@o.o list? Migrate some of the traffic there? How will you draw a distinction between 'development' per development and that TW is the development-driven rolling release? Given that some of use watch development about specifics and don't want the who lock stock and barrel of TW?
The "Tumbleweed users should all subscribe to this list" comes from an older period when tumbleweed was still factory and was mostly just the development branch of openSUSE, at that time pretty much anyone crazy enough to run factory on anything close to production was an openSUSE developer anyway and there was a natural overlap that has probably got smaller over time.
Yea ...
Especially given the changes that we have made to the scope of this list in the past months i'm now at the point of questioning whether its worth us suggesting that all tumbleweed users should post to this list given that bugs and issues are not generally being posted here anyway.
yea
The one remaining thing going to this list of relevance that can't be found somewhere else is the bot posting the list of packages updated (which only covers DVD packages anyway).
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