On 30/05/18 00:17, Simon Lees wrote:
On 29/05/18 23:25, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 29/05/18 05:05 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
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As far as I recall this is the first email where I have discussed getting rid of any lists, I can't see the board deciding to remove any lists that still have a function and that are still being actively used. Personally I would not support such a change. The bulk of the change we have announced and implemented is about A. Providing a more focused support list and B. returning the opensuse-factory@ list back to its role from 2-5 years ago, discussing development changes / decisions that effect distro development as a whole,
The name of that list (Factory) is inappropriate for what it is supposed to cover and should be renamed to, I suggest, 'Development'.
see the "remove groups from .spec files" thread that is currently running as an example of this kind of discussion.
So we'll be left with just opensuse-support@ and perhaps a feed. And many of us don't like the feed. Much too noisy. Many other shortcomings. Really too much in a limited view of the present. Perhaps that means many people will move to Fedora, where there are still a lot of lists, much more specific and much more fine grained (and apparently more populous).
Saying "go to opensuse-support@ for all matters" is as unhelpful a saying "go to bugzilla ..." for support.
You know, I think that "we" are looking at this matter from 'inside the box' and should look at it from 'outside the sandbox'. Someone for some reason many moons ago created a list called Factory. Now, at that time the name was appropriate for whatever reason but now a newbie would see that list name and wonder what the heck is that all about. The reason why I suggested above for the name to be changed to Development (or something along this line). The same applies to the name if this new mail list, opensuse-support. The name is too broad, too meangingless. Why not call a spade a spade and make the name 'Leap/Tumbleweed Users' Support' or similar. Direct, to the point. A newbie sees this name and knows exactly what to expect when s/he subscribes to the list. The name is too long, you say? OK, make it 'Leap/TW Support'. BC -- "..The times have been That, when the brains were out, the man would die,.." "Macbeth", Shakespeare -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org