Am Mittwoch, 19. April 2017, 12:16:16 CEST schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2017-04-19 10:11, Axel Braun wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 19. April 2017, 09:58:52 CEST schrieb Simon Lees:
On 04/19/2017 03:30 PM, Olaf Hering wrote:
Am Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:56:47 +0930
schrieb Simon Lees
: If its your first time using Linux ever, without spending 15 minutes googling how do you know which of KDE or Gnome is the right choice? This is where it is hard and where the installer needs to do better (for leap users anyway)>
How would ANY googling help with that decision? Those who decide based on other peoples opinion are served best by a decision made by us. Either poison is fine for them.
Olaf
This is exactly my point about having no default, if we have no default we are no longer making a decision for them and sure either choice will meet there needs probably equally well (atleast initially) they won't know that so we need to do a better job of providing guidance then the current selection screen does.
But this will not work for less experienced users. They feel uncertain and have no idea about the impact. So giving guidance or recommendation is a must if you want to make it user friendly. The less decisions a (less experienced) user must take, the better.
If you know your way around, you will do anyway that you think is right for you.
Thats why I think we should keep a default.
And how do you know that you are making the right choice for /them/?
For instance, the current default (KDE) is terrible for people like me that want things simple. KDE is very complex. Beautiful, yes, but bewildering. I also find the Gnome way too difficult to understand.
Hm, I don't share that view. You have a lot of screws to adjust KDE *if you want to*, but it runs fine out of the box. I dont know what you mean by 'simple'. Simple as in SAP's 'run simple'? (Joking of course). Everybody has a different perception what is 'simple'. Mostly what one is used to. Even vim is 'simple' or 'ergonomic' for some people, who made a steep learning curve over the years. Every new desktop is a challenge. As example, I played with Enlightenment E20 as a lightweight alternative. This looks shiny and blinkblink, but in some things it was not too intuitive, even if you are somewhat experienced
Some people like having thousands of things they can configure. Some people hate having thousands of things they can configure.
How can you choose correctly for them?
There is no right or wrong. It should keep the barrier low for newbies, and it should look somewhat familiar for new users, who have potentially 2 histories: Mac or Windoze. I feel we are not wrong with the current default Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org