On Sonntag, 26. Februar 2017 15:27:02 CET Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2017-02-26 14:30 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar composed on 2017-02-25 10:18 (UTC+0100):
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 03:26 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
Right, they're not. Applications and packages are not the same thing. Only YaST knows what applications are. Zypper only guesses what to do, and doesn't actually do anything except confuse users with useless messages
So, from now on we will have to call you zypper - because what you say is wrong and is confusing our users.
So, applications and packages *are* the same thing?
No.
You could say "I want to install the libre office writer", which is an application. And you do, not needing to know which packages need to be installed.
There are multiple language failures here. Your response, using confusing grammar, is restating a portion of what I originally wrote. Dominique wrote in effect that nothing I wrote was correct. I replied WRT a single obviously correct point, which should have generated a clarification from Dominique about what part(s) was/were and what part(s) was/were not wrong, but did not, at least as yet.
More to the point, when I'm using zypper, I'm working with rpm packages, and couldn't care less whether or which include anything which someone defines as an "application". Seeing a message that some versionless Firefox "application" is being removed, or installed, at the same time as a message that the already installed firefox-esr is being upgraded is nothing but confusion, and thus useless, unless generating confusion is the goal of multiple monikers for single tools.
When using zypper, you are working with packages, patterns, patches and applications. *You* don't care for applications, most users don't care for packages. The package providing the application Firefox is removed, and thus the information is correct. According to the provided metadata, the firefox-esr package does no longer provide an application called Firefox. Zypper can't just guess here, the application could also be removed because the application had been split to a differently named package. Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Brüns / Bergstraße 21 / 52062 Aachen home: +49 241 53809034 mobile: +49 151 50412019 work: +49 2405 49936-424 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org