Hi Dominique, On 08.08.2016 09:09, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 22:08 +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
On the next event where we meet I'll watch with astonishment how you start KVM on my Windows Notebook. [...] https://qemu.weilnetz.de/w64/
He might not have the worst chances winning that challenge - his bigger problem is likely walking around with a Windows host to start with
"on my Windows Notebook", see above. But of course i should have stated the obvious: a working, usable solution is required. Which Virtualbox on Windows hosts definitely is. And qemu (when I tried it last time, maybe a year ago), certainly is not. It's fun, but not if you need it to do your work. And -- because of missing acceleration -- it's terribly slow, it's not KVM. But you probably knew all that. What I'm really objecting to is Richard always^H^H^H^H^H^Hoften trying to scare away contributors and users by making it look like they are doing "evil" or "bad" things, and that they are stupid even assuming that anything will work at all if they are not doing "right" -- as defined by him. This was the case with his "addon repositories are bad" crusade and I see this repeatedly with "nvidia -- don't use it!" -- "virtualbox -- you are doing it wrong!". (Fortunately for the "addon repos" crusade, it was shown quite clearly at OSC2016 that Richard's opinion is the opinion of a small minority.) While I 100% agree about the technical problems that externally maintained kernel drivers bring into the equation, it is almost never helpful to tell people "just buy other hardware" (the NVidia case, alternatively "just don't use any features of your hardware") or "just don't use your software of choice" (without telling them what to use instead! or without even considering if there is an alternative). I know I have violated this rule in the past, because of the fun a well crafted flamewar simply is, but today I mostly try to abide to the motto "If you don't have anything helpful to say, then stay quiet". Yes, new users should be warned about the problems that 3rd party drivers can bring. But in this thread, where Larry warns about a currently present problem, an answer like "I told you so that you were going to suffer for the blasphemy you are committing" -- sorry, the only result of this i can imagine (and I hope it will not happen) is, that Larry sooner or later will choose to no longer do the -- obviously frivolous -- task of maintaining free software (virtualbox is GPL after all) for openSUSE. Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org