Richard Brown composed on 2015-12-07 12:04 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
Is this a bug report?
No. It's not a problem that seems reasonably succeptible of a repeatable reproduction scenario required of a useful bug report. I did get some sound eventually, but not across the board.
I do not see a single question mark in the email, so I suspect this is the case
It's more akin to a review, but heavily colored by the frustration of 5+ hours of rebooting, searching, trying this, trying that, and accomplishing little in the context of having reached success in well under an hour on the same machine multiple elsewheres than in TW. If I had to describe the problem in as few characters as possible, I would have to include the string "broken deps". Success in 4 other distros proves hardware is not a problem. Process seems to be two problems: 1-YaST2 configuration doesn't stick. YaST2 only plays a test sound immediately after using it to configure the sound device. Once YaST2 sound has been exited, it is incapable of playing a test sound until having deleted the sound device and then adding it back. Last night's was not my first observation of this phenomenon either, as I recall it happening several times dating back too far to remember, probably several years. 2-No comprehensive sound configuration utility. Takashi responded "YaST setup is only for the kernel module." Why is that? Overcoming above is complicated by an ostensible help page https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting on which most recent release in a list of releases to which applicable is the four-year-old, long-out-of-support 12.1.
...Do not use words like "horrific" which is a statement of opinion, not a matter of fact.
Horrific is an experience, an observation, considerably worse than merely unfortunate or bad.
BACKGROUND INFO: Include details about your system. This is especially true when reporting bugs that are already covered by openQA (and Audio Playback already is). In those cases you need to explain what is different about your system from openQA and everyone elses systems
Speaking of QA, how does a (TW) release user relate whatever openQA is to problem solving? https://en.opensuse.org/Special:Search for openqa doesn't turn up anything among the 6 hits that looks helpful.
that are working fine. So details about your hardware, such as the exact video card you have, should be considered mandatory. Comparing the video card you actually have with the one detected by YaST might be a helpful troubleshooting step.
I'm pretty sure the OP attachment included all relevant hardware info. You're complaining by your overall response both about too much detail and too little detail.
DETAILED DOCUMENTATION: Explain, in detail, everything you have done that makes your installation different from a default. You accomplished this to some degree in your email ("At first I excluded all *pulse*") but such details should be made clear, ideally bullet points, not just throw into the mix. In this case I also suspect
After such a lengthy frustration period, details and recollection fade away.
you've added additional repositories (as your problem seems to actually be codec related, not audio related,
Really? Basic sounds from KDE require codec(s) that don't get pulled via dep chain?
I suspect you've added packman) - such steps are very important to mention.
I did write that both PA and Packman were added only later in the process. Total repo count is 8, among which optional only libdvdcss, 3 mozillas and lastly packman, as written, added late in the process (to see if adding the AV apps would force installation of missing deps).
And last, but most certainly most important
FILE YOUR BUGS IN BUGZILLA - This is a mailinglist, for discussions.
Bugs are supposed to be filed for single issues. Until a problem is broken down to a single issue with reproduction scenario, it doesn't belong in BZ.
If this email is a bug report, and I see no reason to suspect it as something else, it has no place here and should be filed as a bug in https://bugzilla.opensuse.org
Again, I file bugs when I can reproduce a specific problem at will. More nebulous problems are best taken to discussion lists for comment, to flesh out, to isolate.
TITLE: Productive discussions don't start by someone declaring something as 'horrific'. "Confused with TW Audio Configuration" would have been a much more enticing title for a call for help and discussion
Being tired has its effect. Does one compile and send what one can remember before more time passes trying to recuperate and more is forgotten?
LESS DETAIL: If you want to start a discussion, we don't need to see your package list. This isn't a bug report. Keep the details relevant,
More often problems come to mailing lists absent sufficient detail. I try not to do that. When tired, reducing details to only those relevant (trimming) becomes its own problem.
...This is opensuse-factory, not opensuse-soapbox
TW morphed opensuse-factory into a user list. Sometimes soapboxing happens in user lists, where it hopefully draws some useful discussion, possibly even help.
And now, regardless of your intent of your email, I will respond in the best way I can
At first I excluded all *pulse*
So, it looks like you broke it.
"At first" means what it says. Pulseaudio was added before OP. I don't believe _I_ "broke" anything. The installation was built up from a minimal X install. PA was not prevented from being installed. Anything that depends on *pulse* should have been pulled in automatically when that thing was installed.
Don't you think there is a reason pulseaudio is the default audiostack in openSUSE?
Where does anything doc that that is the case? I have no knowledge what makes up an audio "stack". All I "know" is that AV is built from an incomprehensible combination of components with names like OSS, AVC, PCM, ALSA, Pulse, codec, H.264, MPEG and many more. For years I've been reading in FOSS user forums that when audio fails, eliminating PA is often a magic bullet. So (only initially) I tried not having it (KISS), and only after not having it failed, and nothing requiring "it" pulled it in as dependency, I specifically added "it".
Have you tried this without removing it?
But "it" (whatever makes "it" up) never was "removed". Tried this what exactly? Is there some GUI tool missing in between YaST2>Hardware>Sound and (KDE)SystemSettings/ConfigureDesktop>Multimedia>AudioPlayback? Apulse, pulseaudio-utils, pulseaudio-system-wide are among the not installed packages (absent from my installed packages list) - are any of them required for KDE and/or SMPlayer to make sound? If so, my trouble smells like dep breakage. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org