Hello, (I could basically answer every mail in this discussion, so I just picked this one on a more or less random level ;-) Am Dienstag, 18. November 2014 schrieb Fuminobu TAKEYAMA:
Through the release of 13.2, I felt we need more test phases between feature freeze and release. The test phases are for quality that cannot be achieved by using Tumbleweed nor openQA.
Oh well. It's nice to see the same discussion at every release: - before the release: "Can we do the freeze later?" or "Can I have a freeze exception for $whatever, please?" - after the release: "We need a longer freeze and more testing" Do you see the pattern? ;-) (Besides that, I'd say the real goal should be to make Tumbleweed really stable so that we can take a snapshot and call it a release.)
For the development of 13.2, we had only one RC. A problem I encountered was that a package updated after RC1 suddenly broke the input method (key input). I had no chance to notice that. It was when release version of packages ware uploaded.
That's something we can improve. IIRC, the repos were frozen in RC1 state. Next time, they should get newer packages as soon as they are accepted. But in general, I think the 13.2 release (both workflow and result) work(ed) quite good, therefore I wouldn't do big changes. Yes, 13.2 contains some bugs. But then - did we ever have a bug-free release? I didn't find any when browsing bugzilla ;-)
One idea to encourage testing: how about making it clear - when developers should install openSUSE on development machine
Use Tumbleweed _now_ ;-)
- when package maintainers should set up their devel projects for the new version
I'd say with the first beta or RC (however we call it) - and I'd also say it's quite obvious, but a reminder can never hurt.
- when users should start intensive test
Use Tumbleweed _now_ ;-)
For example, suppose that the first version after branching from Factory is Beta, the version above will be RC1 to RCx. (x mightbe 4, 5...)
We had one release with 7 betas (or more? Bugzilla lists up to 9 betas and 5 RCs) some years ago[1]. Believe me, you DO NOT want that - having that many betas or RCs means you had lots of bugs to fix, and probably have more left than in two "quick" releases ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] does someone still remember the "fun" we had with Zenworks in 10.1? --
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