On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Claudio Freire
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar
wrote: AsS for systemd with patches: the maintainer prefers to backport fixes to the version of systemd we currently have. Almost all patches come from upstream. The maintainer for now decided to stay on systemd version 210 (from February 2014) wheras upstream has produced releases up to version 216 (latest from 19 Aug).
The beauty of this? It's the maintainers free choice to provide what he feels is maintainable and gives the distribution the highest gain. If you feel the version number means a lot: offer assistance in updating.
You do notice, however, how that puts in evidence the awful design of systemd right?
I think I've heard that the reason it's not upgraded to the last version is that they depend on a specific version of the kernel to work, so you've got to update both kernel and systemd in order to get a functional system.
That's just ridiculous design. Why is changing that not a first priority for packagers? (I'd imagine it's in their best interest to remove kernel version lock-in).
Anyway, it's not my intention to start another flamewar (though I now notice my posts may help in that direction). My intention is to point out that, despite the overwhelming denial upstream and sometimes from packagers, there are issues with systemd that should really be a priority to fix, that many knowledgeable linux veterans have criticized, and that are not minor bikeshedding or bitching. Design decisions in such core components matter, and the package should strive for a truly interoperable and long-term maintainable design. It benefits packagers and users, and I recognize openSUSE has invested quite a lot of effort in this department, something which I applaud. But also, if some issues cannot be fixed promptly (kernel debugging, scope creep - which will condemn the project, journal and transparency issues among a few), a rollback should be evaluated (if only to gauge just how expensive it would be). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org