On Tuesday 12 of August 2014 14:25:58 Todd Rme wrote:
It is also "the crowd that is willing to do the work and the crowd that isn't". That is the biggest sticking point for people who don't oppose systemd.
Repeating this round and round doesn't make it true. We were in no need of a new init system. We had one and it worked well. This "work" you talk about consisted of breaking existing interfaces and breaking people's systems. Just someone willing to do such "work" doesn't justify forcing results of such "work" on users.
People who fought for choice made an effort to make choice possible. Just talking about choice doesn't change anything when no one is willing to put in the effort to implement choice.
The problem is that we _had_ the choice for some time. And then systemd people started burning the bridges and breaking the other option. And breaking it in ways that make impossible to have both in the distributions - and many of these changes were pure malice as they were not needed for systemd systems and didn't help systemd systems at all. Today, if I want a systemd-less OpenSuSE, it's not only about adding the missing stuff. I also need to rebuild some of existing packages because not only was stuff removed from them but also collisions with any added sysvinit implementation were included. Even in 12.3, I had to fork a lot of packages not related to systemd only because of these sticks thrown in my path. I'm afraid it will be even worse in 13.1 or Factory. So don't be surprised that we feel offended when people like you keep indicated the whole problem is that we don't work, don't show effor etc. Because after the effort systemd lobby did and is still doing to make such work as unnecessarily complicated as possible, it's really offending. Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org