Hi, engagement should be part of development. I wrote somewhere else that from my experience in managing development projects, mixing people that works full time with others working just a very few number of hours in the project is very challenging. Making this approach efficient requires quite some effort also from the core team. This effort cannot be an aside task of the full time developers. It need to be a full time task for at least one of them. I am determined to work on this area, so we can engage people like you in the development of the changes. It won't be easy but we will work on it. It can make a difference. On Friday 13 December 2013 20:39:41 Per Jessen wrote:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am 12.12.2013 23:17, schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
- Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> [12-12-13 16:03]: [...]
What I ask you (and this is Stephan not the openSUSE team): give us some credit. Let us take some risks - and don't expect that we have all answers right now. I hear everyone talking about their expectations from the openSUSE team, but I don't see too many asking where they can help. So I guess, I have a question too: Why is that?
I hazzard that the problem is fit. Where do I fit? I can script a little, I test what I use and make bug reports. I know a lot, but that lot is a little about *many* things, and am master of none. I run Tumbleweed and have *many* add on repos for things not "main-stream" Tumbleweed. I have enough experience to get into trouble, and usually find my way out but occasionally need help. The help is *usually* forth-coming and I usually learn a little more.
Provide me tasks "where I fit" and I will help as time permits and I have a lot of time when my grandson is between soccer seasons.
I still see "fit" as the problem, especially for "non-programmer/packager" types.
Thank-you all for your many and continuing contributions.
See Robert? We already have the first "staging champion" :)
Thanks Patrick. I have nothing to give you right away, but it's good to know there are indeed helping hands.
Once we publish a list of jobs/tasks that need doing, I'm certain we will quickly find that there are plenty of helping hands available.
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