Robert Schweikert - 12:59 3.12.13 wrote:
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Correct. I agree that having basically one person doing this (coolo today) is not a good approach and we need to fix this problem. What I am not so confident about is that those touching the very core packages have the interest/knowledge/energy/time to chaperone a staging branch.
If AJ pulls a new glibc from upstream and tons of stuff breaks in the staging project we are basically asking AJ to be coolo and run after all the package maintainers that now have broken stuff. From my point of view that doesn't really resolve the basic problem, it just shifts the problem onto the shoulders of someone else. That someone else most likely has less time to chase all the broken stuff than coolo. I am not advocating to stay with what we have, I just fail to see how the staging of updates improves the situation overall. Certainly coolo will do less chasing and that's a good thing, but will the distribution as a whole improve or are we more likely to get stuck with older versions because the new chaperones of the staging branches do not have the time/energy etc. to chase everything that happens to break?
You missed the second part. No new version of the broken package will get in unless it fixes the staging project. So now both maintainers are stuck with old versions that work together. And it is in the interest of both of them to resolve the issues.
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I think what we are actually doing is discouraging changes for packages that have a large impact such as gcc, glibc and others. As I mentioned in another thread, we do not want to encourage "dump and run" but this appears to go toward the other extreme. Basically if one is not willing to chaperone a staging project better not send any things that are potentially disruptive.
No, we are postponing the integration of changes till we are sure that integration will result in something that would work :-) -- Michal HRUSECKY SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. openSUSE Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xFED656F6 19000 Praha 9 mhrusecky[at]suse.cz Czech Republic http://michal.hrusecky.net http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org