Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (1134 mails)

[Obexer Christoph <cobexer@xxxxxxxxx>]

Am Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2012, 23:59:39 schrieb Marcus Meissner:
> > A while ago i filed a request for just this improvement in /dev/null err 
> > https://features.opensuse.org/310712
> > i basically got no attention, so i planned to post here after the 12.2 
> > release - you were faster and i would have been flamed / ignored anyway^^
>
> This is a process change, not a distribution feature... So what we are 
> discussing here.
Well i thought that openFate would be the tool to get the idea spread to other 
people to pick up, discuss, vote and improve upon, obviosly it didn't work.

> > drop Factory
> > do it tumbleweed style, that is a package goes into release(Tumbleweed) 
> > when its stable and has been tested, if it breaks something -> revert
> > since Tumbleweed is always stable just release openSuSE $VERSION on time by 
> > copying Tumbleweed into a release repo
>
> You will never be able to do:
> - compiler upgrades
> - other toolchain upgrades like libtool, automake, autoconf ... all of whiuch 
> usually break their share of packages
> - gnome, kde changes that break non-core-gnome/kde apps
> - perl upgrades, python upgrades, etc.
>
> all of these happen in Factory and will not be possible with your model.
>
> New toolchain things _BREAK_ other stuff ... either by incompatibility or 
> bitrotting. It needs to be fixed.

the gcc4.7 update the way it was doen did work very well, no? a feature branch, 
development and testing done there and as it was done it was merged to Factory
the only fallout was yast & zypper, at least what i noticed. BNC also didn't 
show more.

> > doing this the right way would make openSuSE a whole lot more stable IMHO, 
> > and it would also attract more contributors,
>
> See above, it would basically turn us to an effective stand still.
>
> > because getting something in the hands of actual users could be done as a 
> > weekend project, instead of a multiple month time investment
> >
> > i could go into more detail, but I'm unwanted here so i try to keep it short
> >
> > I the hope this is being well received and it might improve openSuSE
>
> A bit more rolling upgrades like Tumbleweed would be possible...
like the factory snapshots? we have them right now but i think it needs more 
packagers using mainly factory and for that factory needs to be stable

>  But again, chaning foundations
> is not possible in your model I think.

i think the gcc 4.7 update showed how it's done right -the zypper/yast part

> Ciao, Marcus

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Christoph Obexer
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