On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 08:17:39AM +0200, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Wednesday 13 June 2012 11:41:28 M. Edward Borasky wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jos Poortvliet
wrote: On Tuesday 12 June 2012 13:41:50 M. Edward Borasky wrote: <snip>
If *I* were making the decision, I'd say "let Ubuntu and Fedora fight it out for the mass market and switch to the Debian / Gentoo model". Because I think that's the way openSUSE is evolving anyhow - a strong, sophisticated community of IT users and technologies like Open Build Service and OpenQA. I'm using openSUSE and not Debian or Gentoo because of that.
I'm entirely on the same page with you.
A 1 year release schedule and using OBS and Tumbleweed to satisfy the needs for those needing more up-to-date software seems perfect to me.
Let's be honest - if you want the latest, 6, 8 or 12 months - it's all too slow so you use Tumbleweed anyway. If you want stable, 12 months is better than 8 is better than 6. Simple.
if it happens to help our release engineering, awesome too ;-)
Every November a stable release ... makes the naming a lot easier. ;-) But why not go the Gentoo route? *Every* package individually gets declared stable eventually - they don't release when the kernel, compilers and desktops all go stable. I think Tumbleweed needs to be separated into kernel and user sections. Unless I'm doing kernel-level work, I only want bug fixes / security updates in the kernel but I want the latest browsers, office tools, compilers, desktops, etc.
It's my understanding that in the current setup we can't do that - tumbleweed needs to resync every now and then to be able to roll on. Probably 'cuz big plumbing is hard to do in a rolling release.
big plumbing isn't the difficult part, it's the "let's replace the complier and watch everything break" that is the hard part. And, when the low-level system dependancies change, the whole distro wants to rebuild, taking a few days to complete just to see if anything broke or not. But that all can be resolved, it's not that difficult, you just will have days when all of your packages want to upgrade :) greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org