If it wasn't clear in my earlier post - I apologise. I wasn't holding up Gentoo, OpenBSD, any alternative Linux or BSD as an universal panacea for all situations. As you can see, I am not settled on any particular platform for my systems. I am carefully selecting different OS models for each application. Meanwhile, I was seeking to indicate that each Linux/BSD has its own strengths. The problem for me is that openSuSE appears to have moved away from what I understood to be its role for ME... a distribution which is an informed adopter of new tools, modules etc. whilst ensuring that developments adopted/incorporated don't destroy the robust foundation of the distribution to the detriment of specific stakeholders - system administrators, developers and desktop users. It is my feeling that recently there has been a rush to satisfy desktop users to the detriment of system administrators and some developers... That is MY view. However, I thought it worth mentioning because I see openSuSE developers slipping on delivery due to cascading issues caused by the decision to adopt many changes all at once. Meanwhile, while previously an openSuSE advocate, I am now adopting alternatives because I feel openSuSE is moving away from my needs - and suspect I am not the only one. I felt it might be possible to communicate how I perceived openSuSE in the interest of prompting a move back towards my preferred function for the distribution. I don't have an interest in the outcome beyond a selfish desire to replace the position openSuSE formerly held for me. I am not concerned if openSuSE continues on an alternative path because I am using alternative tools to provide the necessary functionality I desire. Consequently, as I said, I wish openSuSE luck for the future - I have enjoyed using it in the past (it WAS my default distribution). Meanwhile, I will continue to monitor openSuSE development through these lists in the event there is a change - but I have to say that it will be from the safety of an alternative platform... Best regards. Mike On 14/06/12 00:21, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM, llemikebyw@aol.com
wrote: You may recall a lengthy post I made concerning systemd some months back...
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I came to openSUSE after Gentoo's botched community process, failed organizational time and money management and unworkable release engineering model shattered my confidence in Gentoo. At the time (mid-2008) Ubuntu, Fedora and openSUSE were all on six-month release cycles and the differences were minor. I tried Fedora first and had issues with projectors, and Ubuntu had an older kernel than openSUSE, so I went with openSUSE.
I'm still here, and IMHO there's still not a lot of difference between the three. SUSE Studio and OBS are better than anything I've seen from the other two, and the communities all seem to me to be equally strong. I wish we had a PaaS like Cloud Foundry and OpenShift Origin, and I think we could tweak the software engineering discipline a little to avoid some of the catastrophes. but over all I don't think openSUSE is as bad as you make it out to be. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as Gentoo got after they missed a foundation paperwork filing deadline and suffered six months of power struggles on the mailing lists.
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